Pet Loss, Grief and The Pet Memorial | Harmony Fund | Laura Simpson

Pet Loss, Grief and The Pet Memorial | Harmony Fund | Laura Simpson

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Pet Loss, Grief and The Pet Memorial | Harmony Fund | Laura Simpson

 
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2:50 How Laura came to found The Harmony Fund and the Pet Memorial
5:56 Supporting animals in Ukraine during the war
15:15 Three ways to deal with pet loss grief
25:50 How to work with the anticipation of a pet crossing over
30:44 Ways to support a friends who’s animal has crossed over
34:35 How The Pet Memorial works
39:25 Current priority projects for The Harmony Fund/The Pet Memorial
41:52 Other ways you can support these animal welfare organizations
Laura Simpson is the Founder of the Harmony Fund, an international animal rescue charity helping underdog animal rescue squads across the planet. Her charity has been instrumental in helping animals impacted by the war in Ukraine on top of their daily mission providing food, shelter, veterinary care and protection-from-cruelty.  Laura is also the founder of The Pet Memorial a living memorial that honors rainbow bridge pets while undertaking incredible animal rescue missions in their honor. An avid rescuer, Laura has personally experienced the passing of 31 pets and has developed strong coping strategies that she likes to share with others.
 
 
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TRACY: Hello and welcome to this episode of chat with animal professionals and interspecies communicators. Our guest today is Laura Simpson. And our topic is pet loss, grief and the pet Memorial. Laura Simpson is the founder of the Harmony Fund, an International Animal Rescue charity helping underdog Animal Rescue squads across the planet. Her charity has been instrumental in helping animals impacted by the war in Ukraine on top of their daily mission of providing food, shelter, veterinary care and protection from cruelty. Laura is also the founder of The Pet Memorial, a living memorial that honors Rainbow Bridge pets while undertaking incredible animal rescue missions in their honor. An avid rescuer, Laura has personally experienced the passing of 31 pets, and has developed strong coping strategies that she likes to share with others. Laura, welcome to the show today.

LAURA: Thank you, Tracy, I’m happy to be here.

TRACY: Yeah, I’m excited to learn more about your projects and what you do. So to get us started, could you tell us a bit more about you and how you came to do this work that you’re doing?

LAURA: Well, you know, I actually spent my whole career in animal welfare. Right out of college, I started with an international rescue charity based in London. And I think I did every job in the building, I started as a press officer, and worked my way through every aspect of charity work, and really got such a deep and rich understanding of how to run a charitable organization, and more importantly, acute awareness of the issues that are out there facing animals on an international basis. And it’s some… it’s quite different than what we might look at domestically here in the United States.. The suffering is far greater reaching and more widespread. And it takes certainly an army of individuals who care and with compassion to really address some of these issues. So I worked for 11 years for a large international charity before beginning the Harmony Fund, my own charity. And the goal was to reach out to the underdogs of animal rescue. So smaller rescue squads that are sometimes overlooked when it comes to any international aid that might be available. We’re really trying to provide them with a lifeline and an opportunity to do what they do best. Some of them are just a handful of people, but they’re saving animals hand over fist. And they’ve demonstrated this amazing potential, but they just really don’t have the support. In many communities donating to animal welfare would be absurd. It’s not culturally normal for residents to donate. So they really are relying on international aid. And it’s a pleasure and joy to work with the heroic, amazing people of all walks of life. It’s such an eclectic group of people, but the commonality there is that vision of creating a more humane world. And just, I don’t know, sometimes I step back, and I think, How is this all possible? It must be a dream, because we started the charity in 2009. And in 14 years, I’m astounded I can’t, I personally can’t even keep track of the animals we’ve impacted. It’s beyond all of my, you know, my wildest dreams. And I’m really excited to see what the next 10 years will be like.

TRACY: Wow, that’s such a great background that you have. And I, I guess I hadn’t thought about in animal welfare, welfare with, you know, the underdogs. And I guess maybe it just shows my cultural bias of having grown up and lived in the United States that, oh, I hadn’t thought about how different organizations in different parts of the world like it just wouldn’t even be a cultural idea that people would donate to these kinds of groups. So I really applaud what you’re doing there. That’s amazing. You’ve been involved with a lot of different projects and organizations that support animal welfare over the years. Are there any aspects of this work that you’re most proud of?

LAURA: Well, I mean, sometimes for me, it’s just the little things, but I have to say overall, it would be our work in Ukraine. From the moment that war broke out. I think all of us like everyone in the world has this collective moment of panic and dread as to what was coming. But because my charity, the Harmony Fund had existing relationships in Ukraine and had already been helping animals there, there was also this moment of, oh my gosh, it’s time. We have work to do. And that is what we did immediately, right from the get go. We said, let’s begin. And we started with sending vans to the border, so that the refugees fleeing the country would have some food, some help putting together a veterinary passport, some basic supplies for their animals, because many of them left instantly, they have nothing with them. So it’s really about getting a lot of support at the border and bringing in supplies there. The second phase of the mission was important, the hardest. That was certainly the hardest, which was bringing supplies into Ukraine. And what we did was, we worked with some really brave and incredible volunteers within the country, a lot of them were young people. And certainly most of the men were able bodied and a certain age were immediately enlisted to the military. So you’d be surprised how many were women. Certainly weren’t, there were a few men, but the majority were women. And just moving around, Russian troops alone was so dangerous, especially in the early months, where there was a lot of confusion. And it wasn’t always known where the troops were and what was happening. So we would work with these volunteers, we would bring in foods from…we would buy it in Romania, and bring in, bring it in by the tractor, trailer truckload, I mean, just, we would fill the truck to the very last box getting in the door. And often they were leaving the warehouse. And there were boxes on the ground and more pallets on the ground. And we were like, Okay, those six pallets are going on the next truck. And we’re, of course mixing in veterinary supplies. Because the animals, there was nothing, there was no supplies getting in. So we were bringing all the things that the veterinarians who were still in country would need. And that operation was especially difficult in the in the first six months, I would say when things were really so volatile, and so extreme, and we were helping in a number of ways, like individuals who were helping to, let’s say, in many communities, unfortunately, the number of animals who are homeless rose sharply either because their families were forced to leave and didn’t take them with them, or because they had passed away. So there was a sharp rise in animal abandonment or homelessness. And we found that the seniors in the community really rose to the challenge, the older folks really said, I can do this. And you’ll see them often caring for large numbers of animals on their property or in the community going out daily during feeding patrol. So it’s about really getting supplies to those individuals so that they can do what they do best. In addition, of course, we’re getting supplies to the animal shelters. Some of them have several 100, dogs and cat, you know, the first shelter and we’re running out of food. So just bringing in truck after truck after truck of food and you know, stacking it in warehouses on the border, and then having these volunteers go out with either box truck or van or whatever smaller vehicle they could take to get into each area and repeatedly delivering food and supplies. We also helped with a wildlife center there, there was the Feldman eco Park, which houses 1000s of animals, wildlife, and they had to evacuate, they they were being hit by rockets and suffered some casualties of their their volunteers and the animals and some significant damage and had to evacuate. So we were, you know, ready to help them with that with the cost of evacuation and bringing in food in the early days. And I’m pleased to say that they’re now safe and things are going well there. But the overall mission of you know, addressing a war. I can’t say that’s something that I ever pictured myself doing it. It was… It feels almost too big. But there’s just something that takes over that takes that takes hold of you in a situation like that where you say, Okay, I don’t care how we do this. We’re first going to get this done. And it was really a beautiful international effort with a lot of help from the Romanians and folks in Poland and Czechoslovakia and we’re still very active in Ukraine right now we’re looking to expand housing capacity for the coming winter to get the dogs and cats ready for winter. So some of them need extra kennel space, housing, things like that. Just be ready before, you know the cold weather sets in again. So the job is far from done. But the most difficult part was certainly in those first six months.

TRACY: Wow, it makes me wonder, were you actually physically on the ground there in Eastern Europe with them?

LAURA: No, I absolutely need to stay at my office. Because if I’m out and about I can’t coordinate effort. It’s so much easier to do it from my home base of operations. Because when I find when I travel internationally, I can’t get as much work done as much as it’s great to be in the field and do that kind of work. And I’ve done that in the past with different situations with volcanic eruptions and hurricanes and mass disasters. I’ve been on the ground, but you really are limited, you know, and your communications and everything that you can do is so limited in the fields during a disaster that it’s best to stay at home base.

TRACY: Yeah, that’s kind of what I was thinking is having… having that person in a more safe and secure area, who’s actually coordinating everything. I totally, but I’m sure you, you saw it, and we’re talking to people live there. So you’re very entrenched, even though you weren’t physically there. And what’s what’s actually going on? Yeah, one of the other things, I guess that, you know, when you had said that the seniors really like stepped up and made me think, Oh, well, those probably were people who, you know, they lived through the actual Soviet era, I, you know, in when Ukraine was The Ukraine of the Soviet bloc. So, yeah, that was in, in some ways, I guess that doesn’t surprise me. They, they’re like, Alright, here we go again, and just kind of understood what it was about.

LAURA: I’ve been just so impressed by the, the fortitude and the courage. You know, a number of people that we’re helping right now who have small rescue centers, they’re, you know, at the age of maybe in their 60s, and their sons have died in the war, they’ve lost, they’ve lost their children. It’s really to think that they could experience such profound pain and keep going. And keep getting up every morning, I think in in many ways, perhaps the, you know, caring for those animals, and that consistent needs, give them purpose. And give them you know, they’re on a mission to carry on because they’re contending with such grief. It’s, it’s been such polar extremes of horror and beauty, because we do these things to bring out the beauty in mankind as well as, like the togetherness and the way that it doesn’t matter if we’re speaking the same language or have any, you know, any common threads, we’re still able to pull together and genuinely love one another and help one another, do relationships that form among the rescuers. It’s amazing how we, we just feel so connected. And I think anybody who loves animals, that’s part of this experience is feeling like you’re part of a family and you have this network of people who feel like you do who are sensitive who care and that’s a big part of it as well.

TRACY: Yeah, well, thank you so much for sharing about the the war efforts there. It’s really, really inspiring to me, and I’m sure it will be heard the listeners too. So at The Pet Memorial, you help people honor their dear pets who have since transitioned into spirit by allowing people to create a memorial on the website. And, you know, grief over this kind of loss can be huge. Our animal friends really become such an important part of our lives. Oh, we got our little friend come in to say hello and join in …

LAURA: Hello, Angel.

TRACY: Do you have any suggestions for people who are who are dealing with the loss of an animal companion?

LAURA: You know, there’s there are so many coping tools. And I, I think there are three that spring to mind to me, as most important that I consistently use when I’m contending with my own losses. The first number one always is gratitude. Because it brings a shift in emotions. So when you’re experiencing gratitude, it’s not that you’ve let go of your pain. Because sometimes I think people almost have this feeling that they’re… that they need to stay immersed in deep grief in order to honor their pet, because they would almost feel guilty, like, gosh, if I move on, if I laugh, if I’m happy for a moment, then that’s almost like a betrayal of the pet and the love. And as you know, you should feel sad. And while it’s true that we do feel sad, the actual… I see it in a different way, I think our animals love to see us experiencing joy, our animals who have crossed over. What greater gift who can we give them, then for them to see us being okay? So I find that gratitude can get up there. Even if it’s just for, you know, a few moments at a time, it’s sort of lifts you out of that sadness. So, for me, I like to take experiences that I had with the pet, I guess, my perspective may be different, because I see so much suffering every single day. So to me, it’s very easy to count the blessings. And saying, Thank God, my cat, landed in my home. Thank God, we had that afternoon where I was blowing bubbles, and my cat was running and popping them. And we have that beautiful moment together. Thank God, he’s not out in the streets anymore. Thank God. And I just think of all these experiences and reasons to be thankful. And it just immediately to shift your your whole feeling in your heart. And there is so much to be grateful for because most, not most, but truthfully, many animals in this world never get to know what it feels like to be loved by a person. And if our pets did, and they had a life with us, then they were blessed. And we can really take that. And, and hold on to that. And you can do that by journaling, you can do it just by sitting down and taking a few moments to think about it or meditate on your feelings. You could share it with a friend or counselor, it can take many, many forms, but support it, experience. The joy again, remind ourselves, it’s not all done. If it doesn’t have to turn from joy and living together to complete that. We can bring back that joy. The second thing I like to talk about is looking for signs from heaven. And, you know, I think many pets find a way to let us know they’re okay. And of course, as an animal communicator, you know, this could probably speak in the afterlife often. But it could be a sight, sound smell when you might hear your dog’s tags jingling. And know that that familiar sound that I’ve heard millions of times before, the animals will try to find ways especially in our quiet moments, where we’re sort of absent mindedly doing something, let us know Hey, I’m okay. I’m here. I’m, I’m, I’m okay. And it’s funny because I had this experience recently, with my cat Mousy, who passed away. And Mousy was a big cat. He was a big tabby cat. And he was wandering for a long time. It was seem to be belonging to no one. And I tried putting up posters and things asking was anybody’s cat. You know, this went on for a long time. Nobody claimed nobody identified him. And I would see him periodically and things just have this bad feeling like he doesn’t have a family. So one night, it was wintertime it was 20 degrees below zero. And he was outside. And I was determined to, because many times I had tried to get him to come to me and he was fearful. And I said, I don’t care what it takes. I’m not going inside until he comes inside. So I said to trap, a humane trap, with lots of warmed wet food inside and some tuna. And it didn’t take more than probably 20 minutes. He was in it captured looking around like Wait, what happened? I brought him in immediately. We had this wonderful experience of many years together afterwards. When he passed he… so I’m sorry the point of that is that because he lived outside for I think an extended period on his own. He had an injury to his eye. So one I was squinting and he kind of look at you like Popeye you know that was his look. He had one squinty eye and when normally, although I think he see through both, he came to me probably maybe a few weeks after his passing and I saw this vision of him. His eyes were both whole. And it was so beautiful because I never thought of him looking that way I you know, I just keep this was his luck, you know the one eye. And so to see him with both eyes cool. He was definitely showing me. Hey, everything is healed. I am full I am good. It was just pure. Beautiful, it’s such a relief. And I think lots of times our pets, you know, if we, if we’re quiet and listen, they find a way to, like remind us that they’re okay. And I’d say the last thing that I would recommend to people who are just struggling through grief. And again, it’s not always a straight line, sometimes you’re having a good day or a bad day, and that can go up and down for a long period of time. And there often isn’t really a finish line. Grief is a part of our lives, and it will come and go. But I find that doing something meaningful, can really help you channel that love because a big part of why we’re sad is because we have all this love. And we don’t have that connection, that daily connection with a place to deliver that love. So I find that doing something meaningful can make a difference. Now, for some people that might mean planting gardens, the flower garden for pollinators, and helping the bees and giving them food and you know, just helping to take care of the earth. For others it might be be like, going to the animal shelter and helping out and like petting the cats or walking the dogs or doing something to share a connection, if you’re not ready to adopt another pet might be just helping animals were in a shelter in a high stress environment and really need companionship. To me above all else, they need companionship, and emotional comfort. For others, you know, The Pet Memorial we we created, in part to really do something profound and to allow people to honor their pets, not with something, I mean, are certainly number of things like Christmas tree ornaments, or garden stones or things like that. But to really do something meaningful, and to go on that one last ride together to have that last mission with our pets and be like, Okay, we’re doing something great. And to imagine how our pets will feel being a part of an experience to feed a few 100 dogs in a shelter in Bosnia that ran out of food yesterday, or to release a large number of monkeys from rehab center in the Amazon jungle, just there, there are so many ways that The Pet Memorial is helping domesticated animals and wildlife, and farm animals and any animal in need really just doing something amazing to sort of extend that love to share that love to make a living memorial to our pets, to honor them in ways that they would be proud of. And we can kind of celebrate together and feel like we’re doing something really special as a team.

TRACY: Yeah, that’s great. I really love those those tips, the three different ways of being able to kind of move through the grief. So I feel like those are really great tips. And I just keep feeling my cat, my cat past a long time, like kind of coming over here talking on my shoulder. So many of the things that you said really resonate with with that, and her and especially the finding gratitude piece, I think because her passing was so sudden and kind of unexpected, she was still pretty young. And actually she was kind of similar to Mousy, and what you were saying where she was a stray, she lived outside for at least nine months. And I had to use a humane trap to get her to come inside. So we ended up becoming just best friends. And she my gosh, she she taught me so much. And it’s interesting because she passed away in 2011. But I you know, there’s still like little waves of grief that, that come from that. And especially the gratitude part that you were talking about. I keep coming back to like, oh, remember, remember how Seeker and I interacted in this way or remember the lesson she taught you? And so yeah, I I do I guess I feel like it’s kind of important to highlight that, you know, grief, like you said isn’t something that you just get done? Oh, it’s something. Yeah, it’s something that can be ongoing. So remembering these three tips, which were let’s see gratitude, doing something, looking for signs, and then doing something. Yeah. Beautiful, beautiful. Thanks so much for that. So speaking of grief, we can sometimes experience that even before our animal friends crossover and I guess I’m thinking of Seeker again here, where, you know, two weeks before she passed, they gave her this really bad diagnosis but they didn’t think she was going to die. But you know, some people do receive terminal diagnosis for their, their pets and the grief process can kind of start there. Do you have any recommendations for folks who are in this kind of position where they’re realizing that they’re animals is going to transition probably sooner than they expected?

LAURA: Yeah, I understand because to me, at least for me personally, that’s the hardest part be coming to terms with what’s about to happen. And then following through, that, to me that is the most painful part of the whole experience is the sort of anticipation and the dread. And I think there’s a few things that can bring a little bit of comfort. First for me, and I think for, for anyone who, you know, has any connection to spirituality at all, I feel that our animals come from a place of love, and return to a place of love. There’s, they’re not. They’re not falling, like they, they’re not lost, they’re not. They’re saying that we have to sort of dispel ourselves of the illusion that by dying, they’re lost it, no, their soul is eternal, and they are at peace, and they are in joy. And they are no longer in physical pain, they just, they can be their whole selves again. So she’s just really trying to conceptualize helping them transition as a gift, so that they’re not suffering, and they can be their whole selves again. And it’s so hard for us because we miss that daily routine. But sometimes, you know, we all have an end date, unfortunately, and have to sometimes help them when that time comes. I also like to really talk to the veterinarian involved if a veterinarian is going to be involved in this process. Discuss the individual needs of the pet, if the pet have breathing problems, is there is there’s some steps that need to be taken in addition to the normal protocol, to make sure that your pet doesn’t suffer any additional stress or discomfort during the process. And I really strongly believe in that. I had a dog, his name was Alex and he had he was a Labrador retriever, and he had laryngeal paralysis, which happens to a lot of larger breed dogs are the vocal cords become sort of paralyzed, and they causes them problems breathing, and any bit of excitement would bring on an episode with him where he couldn’t breathe. And I was so worried about bringing him to the vet, when it was time to say goodbye that way. And the whole Veterinary Clinic, we made a plan in advance and they they came out, they carried him in, it was so gentle and quick and every step was taken to make sure that his special needs were accommodated, that there was no delay that we were being smart and efficient with our time and giving him the proper medication to make sure that he wasn’t in terrible respiratory distress at the end. So even it’s been years, but it still brings it back. So I do I completely understand, you know, people who are going through this, you know, my heart goes out to you. And I can just say that it does get better. And we have to think of it this way to every day forward. Even if it doesn’t feel like it’s getting better. Even if the grief feels so heavy. It’s one day closer to being together again, if nothing else, that’s something you can hold on to it really. It helps me a lot. I always think of it that way.

TRACY: Oh, that’s so interesting. I guess I hadn’t thought about what you talked about with talking with the vet about any additional special needs or accommodations. I think, like I’m thinking that back to Seeker, and I was so shocked that when that all started to happen that it you know, created this own emotional process for me that I didn’t think to ask that, which you know, I’ve had conversations with Seeker about her crossing over. And she she’s okay with it. But like looking back, oh, I see that as maybe a way that I could have supported her even more. So thank you so much for giving that suggestion. I hadn’t thought about that. So sometimes it’s not our own pet that is getting ready to crossover. It’s a friend’s animal. Is there is there any advice that you would give to listeners about how to support a friend who’s in this sort of pre grieving or has started the grieving process, either just before or after their animal has crossed over?

LAURA: I think one of the things we have to do is sort of stop our ourselves from trying to fix it because most of us our immediate responses. What can I do to take this away? because you hate to see anybody suffering. But this is something that we all have to go through, you can’t necessarily fix it, you want to be careful about saying things that might try to minimize their pain. Because, you know, inadvertently, sometimes when we’re trying to comfort somebody that things like that might come out. But when said we can do is just be there be a support system, because not everyone has someone who is like minded, like in their own, like in their own home, for example, there, you know, there could be four family members, but maybe the other three, don’t want don’t talk a lot, you know, aren’t open to sharing their feelings are open to talking about it. And your friend might really might really just need someone to talk to. So it’s just about being there and saying, I know how you feel I’m sorry, I understand and letting them vent and letting them talk about their feelings. And the other thing, too, I think is the routine, there can be points in the routine, like, especially in the first few days, let’s say, four o’clock, every afternoon, your friend would come home from work, at that time, they would walk their dog and feed them and that was four o’clock was a key time in the day. So maybe those first couple of days you say to your friend, I’ll meet you at four, we’re gonna go for a walk, just something to help them through those key moments. And those sorts of key times a day can just, you know, letting them know I’m available for a phone call. Just trying to think of how you would feel in their shoes and often we remember and just being supportive makes all the difference.

TRACY: I think what you say about not trying to fix them is so important and I feel like this applies to more than just a pet dying. Or you know, even if there’s another human that has died, sometimes we again just want to race through grief, get it done. Ignore it or you know, things like this, but the more I’ve done this work with animals who have crossed over I’ve really come to see how sacred grief really is there is this sacredness to it and it’s not something to necessarily be rushed through and sure it can be painful, but at the same time I feel like grief really, if anything, it shows how much we love. And to me that is it’s really precious. So there’s really sort of this reframe that I guess I’ve had where grief is very sacred, and it’s not something to be hurried through. Thank you for sharing.

LAURA: I completely agree. I know what you mean. It’s just it’s so, so awful. We want to none of us want to go through it and we want to share our loved ones from it. But we really can’t. You can’t there is no shortcut. But we have kind of coping strategies. Be supportive. But it’s just part of love. It’s part of the experience of love.

TRACY: As I understand it, donations that people make to The Pet Memorial go to support these underdog animal rescue teams all over the world. Do you want to tell us a little bit more about that and how it works?

LAURA: So The Pet Memorial has three aspects. The first is that people can go on and create a memorial page for their pet and it can be a very simple, they can upload a photo or a few photos and just write whatever whatever they like to share about their pet or message to their pets. And just create a place on the website where their pet is being honored and their pets from all over the world. featured on the site, you know people from many different countries are coming up and saying, Okay, I’m honoring my cat, my dog and they’re creating a profile for their pet and this just sort of this memorial page and that’s free for anyone anyone can use it for a pet that 10 years ago or a pet who passed yesterday there. You know there are no conditions for everyone. It’s really just about creating this. There is no memorial for pets… this was sort of the first Memorial that’s worldwide for everybody because it’s a universal experience for pet guardians to grieve when their pets crossover. There wasn’t any place for us to come together. And that’s one of the things we’re trying to create a place where we can come together. Also we have tools on the site, lots of videos that will help people coach them through the grieving processes. Some things that just might bring them comfort and clarity. Because, you know, it takes some time and so we have different experts on there talking on video and trying to help people who are grieving. We also of course have the aspect of this that makes The Pet Memorial a living memorial and that’s the rescue work. Because it’s one thing to create a memorial that is on a big piece of marble and have a list of names. But it’s an entirely different matter. To create a living memorial that is about taking our pets and going on this journey together to help animals who might be halfway around the world or might be close to home. But who haven’t been so blessed to have a family to have a soft bed on the kitchen floor. Setting meals every single day. Those animals need us they need our love. So if we can say, Okay, I’m going to take this love that I share with my pet who crossed over. And together we’re going to take that love and we’re going to channel it into doing something really special. So all those donations to The Pet Memorial are bringing food to animal shelters who have completely run out of nothing left to feed their animals. And you might find that to be a stretch but actually, that’s very common in many parts of the world. That they run out entirely. And that’s where The Harmony Funds tries to reach in and say, Okay, get you food. Let’s do what we can do to help. So it’s about bringing food in. Right now. As I said in the Ukraine, we’re trying to get more housing ready for winter and get you know the animals that we some kind of protection from the cold, and veterinary care. We’re helping to build a social Veterinary Hospital in Romania. And what that is, is a veterinary hospital, that for the rescuers, that’s actually for rescuers to bring in injured animals that they find on the street or abandoned animals and to get them help to bring in animals from the community and have them spayed and neutered for free. Like this is an establishment that is going to train veterinarians on doing care of animals, not just the latest wave of surgical techniques, but really bringing about more of an awakening in the country for those practicing veterinary medicine to be more compassionate, so on so many levels, that the projects that we’re involved with, are about helping animals today and tomorrow. So it’s, it’s, to me it’s a beautiful legacy that we can share it with our pets. And it can be something people can get involved in one time and donate whatever is comfortable for them or they can sign up for a monthly donation to just have this ongoing involvement with their pet in honor of their pet. We’re doing it together and we’re going to share the love we shared and we’re going to make it grow that we’re going to make it grow in incredible ways.

TRACY: Wow, it’s that’s just it’s so cool to hear how you’ve put this together. And thanks for sharing. You mentioned some of the projects you’re you’re working on, but are there any others either through the pet Memorial or through the harmony fun that are going on right now that you’d like to share with us?

LAURA: Primarily right now, we’re getting ready for winter. So that means the shelters… the thing we need firewood because some of them cook food because they can’t afford kibble. It’s cheaper to buy ingredients and cook food so they have a massive pot and they want to cook up. So they might need that they might need simple things like firewood and plastic to cover the kennel area to block. So we ended know they might need Roof Repairs because the roof is so badly decaying. And this seems to happen a lot of buildings or if they have buildings if they’re blessed enough to have an actual building. They’re in such bad shape, you know, and they can’t support the weight of the snow load. So we have to repair roofs before the snow starts to fall. Expanding kennel capacity, stockpiling food, you know there’s one in Ukraine, one shelter that we help with also an old tractor because they couldn’t even get down the old dirt road to their shelter they would be dragging the food on a sled for a couple of miles on a sled, just helping them to have a way to access the shelter and in store and bring their vehicles in and bring them supplies and bring an animal out if they need to go to the vet. So there’s so many things we kind of take for granted that are that are not available in in other parts of the world. We really want to do everything we can to get you know, anything we can to keep the animals as warm as possible and to keep them fed. And that really is our from September on that as the primary mission every year sort of a perennial thing like oh my gosh, because others come like we have work to do.

TRACY: Yeah, that I hadn’t even thought about like having to haul food on a sled or something like that where we are extremely privileged here in the US and you know some of the things you’re talking about. I hadn’t even really conceptualized here before we talked. So again, thanks for bringing this to our awareness and helping listeners learn about these things as well. We’ve talked about a lot of different things here today. Is there anything else that we haven’t already talked about that you feel really called to share with us?

LAURA: I guess if I can put it out there. If anybody in the audience who’s listening has unusual ways to help. We’re always looking for partners in different ways. They maybe they run a business or work for business or know a family business who might be interested in supporting the charity, you know, from a business partnership, or maybe they might be involved in offering some site type of service where they can post an event and help the animals. There are so many different ways you know, the workplace giving aid giving through all sorts of you know, monthly donations. There are sort of innumerable ways that people can get involved and it’s not all about funds. Sometimes if they don’t have funds they might have a connection for, you know, for someone in the media who might like to do a story on us. There’s all sorts of ways that each of us might have some special things to offer to the animals in whatever form that might take. I would be grateful for the help. We’re always we always need help.

TRACY: Absolutely. That’s yeah, you never know who we’re going to connect with through this. So it’s always good to put those out there and see what comes back. Yeah, so Laura, thank you so much for joining me here today. This has been an amazing conversation. So I’m wondering if listeners wanted to learn more about the harmony fund or the pet Memorial or about you where would be the best place for them to go.

LAURA: So to our website, harmony funds.org for the pet Memorial website, just simply love pet memorial.org. Either one, you’ll find lots of information about our work and can certainly I would love for people who are listening, have a pet that they’ve lost, you know, create a tribute page for their pet and honor them that way and the beautiful I would love to see whoever wants to come fall are welcome.

TRACY: Great, and we’ll definitely include that in the show notes so people will be able to just click on over and do that. I also want to note that any donations that are received on behalf of this particular episode that are that are made to to me for the podcasts, I will be read donating 50% of those to the pet memorial to help support this work that Laura is doing. So just amazing work that you’re doing here. Laura, thank you so much for taking the time to talk with me here today. It was so wonderful to have you on the show.
LAURA: Thank you, Tracy. Thank you, everyone.

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Livestock Speak | Chip, Huckleberry, Isabelle | Melissa Schubert

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Livestock Speak | Chip, Huckleberry, Isabelle | Melissa Schubert

 

In this episode you get to hear directly from our animal friends: Chip, Huckleberry and Isabelle.

 
In this episode we talk about:
3:06 Melissa’s background and how she came to communicate with animals
6:50 Animal communication and validation through horseback ride experience
11:43 Animal communication with a focus on livestock
17:40 Animal communication and care at a livestock refuge
24:18 An update on Therapy Goat Chip
29:02 Sheep as energy healers
35:18 Healing , hope and love – messages from Isabelle
39:15 Livestock as individuals
41:30 Chip’s messages of joy
45:00 Cows and Chip’s communications with each other
 
With a degree in engineering and minor in biology, it surprises many that Melissa Schubert also is an animal communicator. An even bigger surprise is that Melissa communicates predominantly with livestock. Livestock are amazing healers, with varying specialties & experience levels. And they try to communicate with us in so many different ways. Melissa is here to share with others what livestock have shared with her … everything from the excitement of their first egg being laid to asking for a specific medical intervention that helped them tremendously.
 
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Animal Communication with Chip, A Future Therapy Goat
 
 
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Chats with Animal Professionals and Interspecies Communicators aims to bring animals and the world of nature front and center. We’ll be chatting with professionals working in the animal industry and intuitive interspecies communicators about their work in the field.
 
 
Chats with Animal Professionals and Interspecies Communicators is for animal and nature lovers, intuitives, spiritual seekers, and those interested in interspecies communication.
 
 
Our aim is to bring awareness these professions and to expose the new and old science behind some of these seemingly out-of-this-world careers. We hope to educate and tickle your mind about what is possible by discussing this work and ways we can work WITH our animal friends, nature friends and the planet as whole instead of them being a secondary consideration.
 
 

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TRACY:  Hello and welcome to this episode of chats with animal professionals and interspecies communicators. Our guest today is Melissa Schubert and our topic is Livestock Speak. With a degree in engineering and a minor in biology, it surprises many that Melissa is also an animal communicator. An even bigger surprise is that Melissa communicates predominantly with livestock. Livestock are amazing healers with varying specialties and experience. And they try to communicate with us in so many different ways. Melissa is here to share with others what livestock have shared with her. Everything from the excitement of their first egg being laid to asking for a specific medical intervention that helped them tremendously. Melissa, welcome to the show today.

 

MELISSA:  Oh, hello, Tracy, thank you so much for having us. We’re really really excited.

 

TRACY:  Yeah, you got your buddies there with you. We’ve got Chip, Huckleberry and Isabel. So Chip is in the front there. The guy, yes, letting us know he’s in charge there. And then Huckleberry is the more white sheep and Isabelle is the more brown sheep. So anyone watching on YouTube or on the video portion of this podcast will be able to tell them apart. I think they’re very excited to be here with us today.

 

MELISSA:  They really really are, especially Isabelle. 

 

TRACY:  Wow. Awesome. Well, Melissa to kick things off, could you tell us a little bit about you and how you first heard about animal communication and how you really came to recognize that you were able to communicate with animals?

 

MELISSA:  Yeah, well, so even as a child, we raised ducks. So that was really, I mean, we hatched them and everything. So from the time I was three years old and up I was around livestock. And as a child, it didn’t occur to me that it was strange that I would communicate with these ducks. It wasn’t that I was I heard voices. It was more like pictures got transferred between us and I would know. And it was more simple things like “hey, our water’s running low.” Like “Mom, water.” Like okay, all right, I’ll change your water and I … about… Isabel is very excited. So she wants to check what would you like to say? She wants to say hello, everybody. She’s really excited to be here.

 

TRACY:  Isabel, we’re so happy to have you here. Thank you for joining us.

 

MELISSA:  Yeah, we’ll talk about sheep being healers in a little bit. Okay? She’s very, very anxious about … She’s new to being healed… to being a healer, so she’s just really jazzed. But so, as a kid, you know, I did that communication and it didn’t occur to me as anything different or something that other people didn’t do or anything like that. But then as I got older and I went into engineering and everything else, we stopped raising ducks, and then I just kind of got sucked into modern living where everything is way less grounded. And I just didn’t have that many livestock in my life. Actually. There was a very, very long period of time when I didn’t have any. And so then I started going to equine Gestalt therapy, and the person there had horses that she communicated with and I was just like, “huh,” and it just started like this little tiny, you know, snowball that that gained speed, but it was like, wait a minute, I feel like that’s something that I was able to do a long time ago, but it’s so blurry. And as an adult, and especially someone with a degree in science, it’s like, yeah, okay, you know, I’ve lost… I’m off the farm… like I’m nuts. I was just like, you know, as a kid, I and I still have a vivid imagination. So it’s like, this just must be something that you know, I… it’s just wishful thinking, I wish that I could do this. And but then he [pointing at Chip] came into the world, and that night I did hear a voice clear as a bell when he was born. He came up and he looked at me, he’s like, “Hi! I’m Chip!” That was the voice I heard in my head and I’m just like, “Hey, buddy.” Okay. And so that was kind of the… it was, it was just really, I was taken aback and I’m like, so then I met individuals, such wonderful people, such as yourself who are open about talking about animal communication and explain your experiences, then I’m like, Okay, this is all like, maybe maybe this is a thing, but I don’t feel like talking about it with anybody until I actually have some objective evidence that I’m not nuts. Just to put it bluntly. You know, you tell you tell people especially in the science field about it, and they’re like “Okay.” And so, one of the… one of the things that I ended up experiencing that was very, very validating was actually on a horseback ride. And it was because my niece and nephew were in, were in Colorado… they visited and they really badly wanted to go for a ride. So it’s like, okay, okay. All right. So I was on my horse, and she was absolutely just really unhappy about being… the whole situation she was unhappy about. So she was constantly trying to go this way, and that way. And I was like, I, in my mind, I’m like, “What’s what’s going on? Like, what’s… Why are you so upset?” And I’m like, “Is it something I’m doing? I know, I’m not a good rider. I know basics.” And she’s like, well, and then I kind of saw in the back of my head, or in like, in my mind that she was a, like a sports horse like she did something like reining or something like that. She was used to being very physically active, and this trail riding thing was really a bummer for her. So on that ride then, and I’m like, “Well, I’m really I’m sorry that you’re in this profession that you’re in now. You’re, you’re a trail horse.” And I’m like, “I’ll try to be the best rider I can for you. And then she kind of like she settled it and she started you know, she’s still wasn’t happy about it, but the ride was much more easygoing with her. And, and then she’s like, “Well, and I’m just in a lot of pain right now.” And I’m like, “What are you talking about?” And she’s like, I felt this sharp pain above my ankle. And I was like, “What?” No. And then I was like, “Do you have an injury?” She’s like, Yeah, my front leg, my front leg.” I’m like, “Okay.” So when the trail and like when the ride ended, and I went to the leads, the people that were leading the adventure, and I was like, “Guys, can you check her? You check her legs? I think she has an injury.” And they checked her legs, and sure enough, the front leg had a big gash in it. And I was like, oh my god, like, I heard her. I heard like, her and, and then, you know, they’re just, oh my gosh, we didn’t notice this and all those things, but that’s kind of where this whole thing started. Where between Chip and then that horseback riding thing and being validated that that was accurate information. However, I received it. It was and after that, she was just so much more mellow and they were working on treating her wound and it seemed like she felt heard, too. Which is part of what I find so important. Like, they have a voice. They just don’t necessarily have a human to translate for them all the time. Or, you know, it’s not as common. So that’s kind of how all of it started.

 

TRACY:  Wow, that’s such an interesting story. And I really feel like what you said about getting that validation is so important, especially early on learning animal communication, because it’s easy to kind of write it off, well, I’m just hearing that in my head or Oh, I’m just making that up. But when you get that kind of validation it just kind of clicks, clicks, clicks, like oh, yeah, this is real. This is really happening. And yeah, that’s a really amazing story about that horse. I don’t think you told me that before.

 

MELISSA:  Yeah, I don’t, I don’t think I’ve shared that with you yet. Yeah, that was real. I was like, Oh my gosh. And, and the other thing was, I shared it with my family too, because they were along on the ride. And I mentioned it to them, even before I got off the horse and like, I think she’s injured. I’m going to ask about it. And so that’s when and they’re like, Okay, how do you know that? And I’m like, I just am getting this information from this horse. And they’re kind of like, oh, okay, and then sure enough, when I got off and they found the injury, everybody was like, oh, so it was also it wasn’t just like, it was something that I experienced personally just in this little like I was out in the field with no one else around it was with other people too. And that was just really, really different and really intriguing. And so neat. I’m sad that that horse was injured, but it was just a really interesting experience. And I’m glad that I was able to say something for her and get her some help.

 

TRACY:  Yeah, that’s really important. Being able to speak up for them. It’s amazing to be able to do that and I applaud you for you know, some people might have not even felt like they could speak up about it and it’s really amazing that the horse was able to get the treatment that she needed there. So it’s my understanding anyway, you don’t consider yourself a professional animal communicator. It’s more like something that’s kind of been… I don’t know if we want to say a hobby, or just kind of a skill that you practice on the side. But I do feel like it’s important to highlight for our listeners that you don’t really have to be a professional in order to communicate with animals. So Melissa, do you have any encouragement or key notes you might like to share with people who are just starting to learn animal communication?

 

MELISSA:  I think, well, first, in my opinion, everyone has the ability to communicate with animals. The thing is, it might not be a voice you hear in your head. It might be like I described, it might be a feeling you feel in your body and they’re trying to convey that to you. It might be kind of an image that pops in your head that seems not something that you’d expect to pop in your head like, but they try to communicate in whatever way the individual can process it the best. And sometimes if you feel like you’re getting some information, but it’s very confusing, you can ask them to try again. I do that often. Right? Sometimes I get… what would you like to share? [to Huckleberry] Huckleberry would like to share something with you. Oh, he wanted to remind me that the best thing, and what he promised me to do often, is to see if you can ground yourself. Like meaning, during the day there’s all this chaos and all this up. Like in horse terms like you’re just like okay, I went to work, I have to do laundry… All these distractions and all these things going on. And in order to hear these guys in whatever way you receive it. You really have to let all of that kind of slip away and fall away and then just try to be in tune with the earth. Like the earth energy. So the earth is kind of if you think of it like a sound. A hum. Like a low beautiful, easygoing hum. And if you can tune into that hum, then you can receive the information much much easier because then there’s not the cacophony of laundry and pick up kids, and all these other things and so they might be trying to communicate with you. But it’s kind of like a radio station like you have the radio station and the TV and you got you know, your computer going, you have so many things, so many tabs open too, that the signal just doesn’t get through because it is, in my experience, it’s a much subtler signal. And so to everybody, really, if you’re ever feeling discouraged, actually, I recommend asking the kiddo that you’re trying to communicate with to give you hints or tips as to how to best tap into the way they’re communicating. And just just play with it. Like I would pick one kiddo. Whether it’s, if you don’t have a dog or a cat, maybe it’s the bunny that you see in your backyard or maybe it’s a bird that you see every morning, maybe they’d like to communicate with you. And then center yourself, kind of let all the day’s stuff slip away. And then just be open to whatever you experience. And that’s at least my advice. And just keep trying with different kiddos too, because, like some, some of the kiddos are more open and understanding that humans want to communicate with them. I’ve experienced some other munchkins that…oopsies… even whether it’s wildlife or whether it’s livestock where they’re like, “I didn’t realize humans would come to like to even try to communicate with us.” They… they’re so confused. It’s not… but some of them come into this, this form in this lifetime just really being like… they understand like they want to part of their purpose is to communicate with humans. So just because with one kiddo it doesn’t work as fluidly as you wish it would or it’s just nothing’s really happening. You don’t feel like you’re getting any physical sensations, pictures, sounds, sensations, tastes any of that. Then try another kiddo and just keep trying. Because there will be the kiddo that really wants to communicate and you want to communicate and it will happen. So and then take wonderful courses like what Tracy has to because she has so much knowledge and can really, really just open your eyes and open your experiences to So highly recommend. My sister went through this program and absolutely loved it. So yeah, a little public service announcement there.

 

TRACY:  Thanks for mentioning that I I appreciate that. And I really agree with everything you said, like the importance of grounding, it’s so important. We tend to get in our heads and like it’s really hard to communicate even with other humans like that. And even more so with the animals. And that connection to the earth is so important and also finding a range of animals to speak with because I’ve found a lot of people too, like with their own animals that they live with everyday sometimes. We can get in our heads a little bit too much about that too. Just because we know so much about the animal already. But yeah, talking to somebody else’s animal like, like what you said you were first talking with that horse like that wasn’t an animal you had any investment in or anything necessarily and yet it came through so clearly so a lot of really great tips there, Melissa, thanks. Yeah. So you know, when we tend to think of animal communicators or communication we tend to think about animal communication being primarily with domesticated animals who live with us like cats and dogs; however, your experience seems really unique to me where you’ve used your skills to, to talk more with livestock. Could you tell us I mean, you said how it started with Chip, but is there anything else that really kind of directed you towards speaking more with livestock than than other domesticated animals per se, and perhaps how that’s evolved over time?

 

MELISSA:  Yeah, so I definitely just spent some time working at a livestock rescue. And there are many, many different species. They’re anywhere from like a teeny weeny little quail to huge, huge cows, so like Angus cows, and so it just, it just kind of happened I guess organically that these kiddos started communicating because usually what I tried to do when I first meet a kiddo is I just say, “Hi, my name is Melissa, what’s your name?” And I tried to kind of like you would with a human like, just I’m reaching a hand out to say like, just hello I have no agenda I just, and then as a caretaker, I would say like “Please let me know if you need water, food, medicine.” That was part of the like, as a caretaker, I need to do all those things like if something’s amiss, and so that was kind of how Cookie and Cookie is this beautiful, beautiful chicken at this livestock refuge. And she came to us real little so she wasn’t laying eggs yet. And she was just ,just the sweetest, sweetest bird and one morning after chores had been done. And I was in their area. She came like running to me, which I was like, “Oh, are you injured? Like what’s going on?” Oh my gosh. Did like…did somebody get stuck somewhere I didn’t, I didn’t know. And…[to Isabelle] Hi Isabelle, Isabelle Yes, sweet, I’m gonna get to the sheep. She’s still less than a year old so she will get we’ll get to sheep okay? Yeah, I love you. So Cookie came, Cookie came running and and she was just so excited. And then as she got close to me, I started like she’s like, like “Egg, egg,” and I’m like… So she was kind of like, “Follow me follow me,” was the was the kind of the feeling. So I was like, okay, all right. So I followed her and she ran up into the hen house, which I had already cleaned out, the eggs were already out of there. So I was like, okay… and I’ll be darned, I opened the door and there was this beautiful brown egg. And it was warm still. And she’s like, “I laid it! I laid this egg! I laid this egg”, and she was so proud. And she was so so sweet. It’s so cute. So she just wanted to share how excited she was about how she laid the egg and she she’s just kind of like “I’m a big girl now.” In one case, it was with Sophia. She’s an 800 pound pig, the sweetest, sweetest girl. She was surrendered with horrible arthritis, just really… and it’s with that much weight. It’s hard for her to get up. And so of course the refuge was was medicating her as best they could with as much pain relief as they could get her per the weight. But she was, she was getting the point where she wouldn’t even get up for breakfast. And for those that know pigs, like they will pretty much have lost a leg and still make it to breakfast. They love food, love it. So for her not even to get out of her pig house to come for breakfast. It was extremely alarming. So we were concerned that it may be kind of her time to transition. And but I went and I talked to her and I’m like, “Sweetie, like, like, we can’t give you any more pain meds I’m sorry, like, you know is what else is going on?” And all of a sudden I got this wash of like the world was spinning and topsy turvy and I was going to puke everywhere. And then it went away. And I was like that feeling went away. I’m like, “Are you just really dizzy and like nauseated?” and she was just like, “Yeah.” It’s like, oh my god, I think we’re over medicating you. Like, just for her body, for her. You know, like each human has, like we were doing it right for her weight but… So, so we ended up slowly reducing her medication amount and I’ll be darned like she started to come out of the pig house. And then she started to like actually be very excited to come out of the pig house for for breakfast. She was even going to get in the mud pit again. I mean, the whole nine yards. She was just and you know, and then she was just like, “Thank you. Thank you. You listened and like spoke up.” Because while yes, the arthritis was really uncomfortable. The side effects of the medication were just making it that she was just feeling so dizzy and sick. So that was just amazing. And I’m really grateful that she she communicated with me that so that we could get her the help that she needed. Because we were trying our best we thought we were doing what was right, but it wasn’t quite right for her system.

 

TRACY:  Yeah, that’s amazing. I kind of wish like every animal sanctuary or rescue kind of had an animal communicator on hand or you know trained everybody because I there’s a lot of good of course being done in the world by these sanctuaries and these refuge places, but like, I feel like your story really illustrates how much more we could be doing and helping in a different way. So I again, I really applaud the work that you did with that group and the animals that you were able to help during that time. It’s really cool to hear these kinds of stories where you know, like in Sofia’s case it might have been well I guess it’s time to let her go. But she didn’t feel that way. It’s just our human interpretation sometimes can kind of get in the way and being able to take in the actual viewpoints of the animal can make such a huge difference. And I’m sure Sophia is still you know, do you know Sofia still around?

 

MELISSA:  Yes, doing really good Yeah, good. Good.

 

TRACY:  She’s probably thanking you daily for your help. So we’ve got Chip here in the background again. He was… back in 2020 I did the Live With the Animals interview series and Chip was one of the little buddies during the pandemic lock downs that we talked to and somehow this turned out to be one of the most popular videos on my YouTube channel actually. So I’m really curious to hear what you guys have been up to. I know for a while you were doing kind of therapy goat stuff with him or you know what’s up with Chip these days? 

 

MELISSA:  We were able to go to one senior center before really COVID locked everything down and then we couldn’t couldn’t visit and it was just really special to see how excited people were to come into the area we had set up and then their their faces just lit up. When when they were able to just interact with them because you know, he just has a really he has a very uplifting energy. Like I kind of think of the sheep. [to Isabelle] Hi sweetie. She really really wants me talking about sheep. I love the one year old. I know baby… and kind of the sheep have more in my experience at least, more of a calming energy. Whereas chip has like he’s kind of almost like a cup of coffee like in terms of energy. Like he just kind of gives you this extra energy. And so for the seniors to get that kind of like boost of energy. You could just see the color like getting nice and nice nice, like their skin and so it’s really really cool to say he was so happy. He’s like this is great. And so when we were in lockdown, we could still walk like out in public places. And we had to wear masks and everything. We followed the proper procedures but we would start walking around local park and the trails that because they allowed horses so it’s like okay, it’s to be okay with other livestock. And so we just encountered a lot of people that way that were just really not just seniors but all different sorts. People that were just really you know, just hurting because of COVID. Just… it was… it’s such it was such a trying time. And then for it to see this goat… and most people did a double take they’re like, oh my gosh, we thought that was a dog from a distance. Because I have my leash like he walks beautifully on that. And so we ended up doing things that way because it wasn’t going to a senior center or something like that was not a possibility. And so then we ended up, he was at the refuge with me for a while while I worked there. So he got so much time with all the different volunteers and the tour groups. And he got to just really bring that that… I’m gonna call it like a cup of coffee, kind of like his color energy. And he kind of had quit,e the quite the crew of people that absolutely love him. Then we ended up at a land that I was leasing where and I don’t think I’ve told you about this yet. Tracy. The folks that on the property that we leased are teachers and so they would have their… they’d ask parents and their students if they want to come Come say hi to these guys. So there was actually people coming then to the land we leased to see him. And so currently, we just moved to this, this land pretty recently, that other land got flooded badly. So we had to leave. And so we’re trying to figure out the best way to kind of integrate Chip again – he’s been asking about hikes. I tried to get him a backpack type harness and he was not excited about that. And so recently, I was like, but you still gotta wear, you got to wear gear when we’re out. I can’t just let you walk next to me. And, and he’s okay with a flat collar. So we’re gonna do the flat right? You’re gonna be okay with the flat collar? Yeah. And then I think we’re gonna go on trails again, just to do it that way. The person that I was in contact with at the senior place, pre COVID is no longer with that company. So it’s harder to it’s a lot to organize, organize the senior visit. We’ll get him back out there because he’s definitely ready to ready to get back out there. So that’s what’s happening with Mr. CHIP. CHIP.

 

TRACY:  Well, I remember one of the I went with you on one of these walks around the trails and you know, just outside of Longmont, Colorado and actually Huckleberry was with us. And I do remember, everybody was kind of looking at us like, whoa, what’s going on here? You’re walking a sheep. It was just kind of fun. So like, you know, like tickling people sort of, is how I’ve felt it. So we know that Chip’s really interested in this kind of stuff. Do…are HC Huckleberry and Isabel interested in this too or what do they think about this?

 

MELISSA:  Yeah, well, Isabel is so excited for the opportunity to learn how to become a healer. And Huckleberry happens to be a very seasoned healer and Chip’s a very seasoned healer as well. And what I mean by that is they have the confidence and they seem to have the knowledge of how to help people feel their best. And she’s just very new to it. She really, really wants to learn. And so they’ve been actually practicing on me so they’ve been actually practicing on me. So Huckleberry helps tremendously when my anxiety is really just really bad. And because I suffer from General Anxiety Disorder and PTSD and along with severe depression, so when I’m just super anxious he will just, it’s like he helps clear, clear the energy and just get rid of all of that. Anxiety, energy. And Chip. On the other hand, if my depression is really raging, he will just bring that caffeine energy through. And almost like Chip brings the earth energy up that and then Chip kind of washes the uck out if you will. Like the… and brings more grounding. And so it’s about trying to learn these different techniques because they’re quite different. And so the first time actually that she tried it with me as I had just come out of a therapy session, but there was more to work through. So I sat down and she came up, she’s like, “Can I try?” because I didn’t realize she wanted to be a healer. I just knew that she had wanted to be part of our herd. And… but I won’t ask a kid, you know, if that’s not their interest, I won’t ask them to do that, of course. And so I’m just like, yeah, and I was like, Do you want to give this a try? So I guess the best way to describe it is in the meditation that it was almost like there was a piece of obsidian by my shoulder blade just piercing in and that was where kind of the all the emotions had manifested in that particular instance. And I was like, “Can you help me dislodge this because I can’t?” Like I was just so worked up but I couldn’t clear it. And she’s like, Yeah, okay, I’ll help her help. And then so what she… the picture she sent to me was basically just like pushing the obsidian shard out. She’s like, why don’t you just push it out? Just imagine like a force and, and, and… Huckleberry doesn’t run for too much. He’s kinda a slow, dude, he’s a big dude. And he like, made a huge noise and he came running and Chip came running, and they’re just like, “That’s too intense. That’s too much. You got to go slower.” And so she’s like, okay, and so I’m like, what, what else can we do? What can you because I really am stuck like I’m just so frustrated in this situation. And she’s like, well, maybe we just you know, skin can grow behind it and can slowly kind of organically get pushed out because the healing is happening behind it and pushing it out. And then these Yeah, okay, so then off they went and and then later in that meditation, too, she was really, really helpful with with just finishing that whole process of getting that out because that was a big clearing that had to happen. And then I was just trying to get my energy back up because it was just so draining. To go through all of that. It takes a lot of energy to go through all that clearing. I was trying to think of like, how to bring that energy back up. And the thing that came to my mind was basically just like being on a trampoline and just jumping on a trampoline and almost just like flying away. And then both of these guys, Chip was like running again. And and they’re just like Isabel is about like tell her to you know, grounded different way to ground a different way. And for the life of me I can’t remember exactly what she had sent but but whatever it was it like it. It helped me bring that that energy like more like the Chip caffeine energy back back in without just completely, you know, dissociating in a manner of in a manner of speaking. And so it’s pretty tremendous what these guys can do. So but I will say some of them are not interested in healing. It’s not like every single sheep you meet is interested in that profession and occupation. It really is a professional sorts. If you do need a healing actually, one thing you can do is and if you’re around you know any kind of animals you could just ask them like, “Would you mind helping me with a healing I really need a healing?” And that’s what I do. So they don’t actually generally offer healings unless I asked because I just like, you know, they respect that you’re going to process stuff the way that you are. [to Huckleberry] Right? Is there anything you’d like me to add? What am I forgetting? Oh, he said, he’s like sheep love us. They very much want me to share about the sheep because sheep kind of get overlooked in many ways. I think they’re actually incredibly, incredibly smart and incredibly effective as you can see here. And very, very just wonderful. And Isabella wants us to know… Hi sweetie yep. And they… he’s kind of funny that this is my interpretation of way saying but he’s like “We’re people too.” Kind of like you know, his tail just wagged…. Yeah. Did I get it right? Oh, good. Oh, good. I don’t know if you guys could see his tail but his little tail wag. Yeah, I think that that kind of naturally ends what I was thinking about. But… Did I did I did I miss anything Mr. Huckleberry or Isabelle? Wanna say Thanks, sweetie? She just says thank you people. Thank you for tuning in, guys. She’s so excited that the word is getting out. Right? Baby, yeah…

 

TRACY:  I keep feeling like Isabelle might have something else she wants to share with us? I don’t know. I just keep feeling this place of hope. With her. It’s kind of I guess, perhaps a recurring theme in my life. You know, like coming back to this place of hope. And I keep feeling the hope in her heart is what’s coming through and I’m not sure exactly what it’s about, but it could be just kind of on a broad, broad level like hope for life, hope for humanity, hope for the sheep, hope for her becoming a healer. There’s… I can also feel like the youngness in her and there’s this… which to me is actually very inspiring. Like there’s just this curiosity and youngness and sort of zest for life that don’t always feel I guess sometimes and especially in livestock, you know, so

 

MELISSA:  Yeah, thank you Isabelle. 

 

TRACY:  Yeah, thank you. Sweet friend. 

 

MELISSA:  Are you, are you complete? She’s like “No.” Okay. Can you try again? This is an example of the “try again,” it’s like I’m not quite getting, not quite clear… getting what you’re trying to say punky.

 

She’s like, give us a chance. Okay. That was interesting. I think it goes along with the hope part. Good girl. So it’s kind of the “don’t dismiss us.” You know, because a lot of people don’t see like, Oh, they’re just sheep. It’s like, but I think more people too, right? Yeah, I don’t dismiss us Yeah.

 

TRACY:  I just feel the… it’s almost like, these waves of love coming off of her to like, Ah, she really loves you. But there’s also just like this sense of love for Huckleberry and Chip and kind of, I feel like the whole, I don’t know if you call a farm where you’re where you are now, but I also feel like the connection to the land that she has, and a real love for that. I see you, girlfriend. Yeah.

 

MELISSA:  Yeah, it’s interesting you say the love part. Because when I look at the aura of these kiddos, she’s definitely… and to me, auras don’t necessarily have to be the same colors as chakras, but I know that that maybe differs from other folks. But for me pink pink is indicative of of like love, and that’s her aura is like, a is a lovely pink color. And, and Huckleberry’s is like an ocean blue. Just and and that kind of is just the, like the ever present steady state like the ocean is always there the currents always moving like calmness and and granted there’s turbulence but but the the color to me is just calmness. And then Chip is like a emerald green because to me that’s like vibrancy. And forest and so it’s not necessarily that’s their aura color and I’m sure it can shift and there’s all sorts of different things that go along with that but my experience with the with the kiddos here is is definitely the pink and love for with Isabel. I was just gonna ask if there were experiences you’ve had with livestock that you’d like to share today. I’m really, really interested to hear.

 

TRACY:  I feel like I haven’t talked to as many livestock as other domesticated or even wild animals but I guess during the live with the animals series, I did talk to a number of different livestock and I think one of the things that struck me was they weren’t all the same. Like each one of them seem to have their own individual personalities and views on things. Like as you remember, you know, a few days ago I came to hang out with you there at the farm and, and Huckleberry was telling me his thoughts about eating meat. He was not so happy that I eat his meat as much meat as I do. And you know, he was telling me about that and I was listening and you know, I’ve heard that from some livestock animals. I have also heard from other livestock animals that they understood that they were here to be meat or to be milk or to be fiber or you know feathers used in some way, and and they were understanding of that and accepting. I mean this is not to say that there aren’t some huge problems in the meat industry, there definitely are and, you know, in the livestock industry in general. But I think one of the things that just really struck me is that livestock are as different from each other you know, individuals as humans are. And, you know, like, Chip and Huckleberry have such completely different personalities. You know, even though they’re both both considered livestock or you know, I’ve met I’ve actually I’ve, I’ve talked to quite a few goats which some people may or may not consider livestock, but yeah, just I mean, all the goats seem so different from each other and they have these really individual personalities just just like we do. So that’s one of the things that has stood out to me.

 

MELISSA:  Yeah, I completely agree with everything you’ve said. Absolutely. That’s been my experience, too. They’re all they’re all individuals, and they all have their individual like, opinions and hopes and fears. Just just like any person would have varying interests and all those things.

 

TRACY:  So I’m really curious if you feel like Chip has something I don’t know. I just keep getting Chip Chip Chip. In the background. Is there anything you’re picking up that he wants? To share with us?

 

MELISSA:   He keeps showing me like for people, for people that are interested in, in… what did you want to say? He… it’s more I was interpreting it more specific than he meant it. He’s, he’s kind of showing me a picture of, of just like, if, if you’re really interested in in communication, there are lots of places you can go to experience livestock. So like one of the things that popped into my head and he’s like, Yeah, it’s like a State Fair. Or there’s just all these different places or, I mean, a petting zoo or a refuge like sanctuary, where you can volunteer or tour or anything like that. And it’s like, you know, or even like the Tractor Supply Store, they have birds about like chickens, like baby chickens. So there’s places that you can go if you’re like, I don’t I don’t know how I would even begin talking to livestock. There are places you can go, where you can just kind of reach out and say, Hi, my name is, you know, Would anyone care to talk with me or communicate with me in any way? Did I catch… too Did I catch that? What else was there? He’s a funny funny character. He’s just like, also tell them I’m cute. And I’m like, they know you’re cute.

 

TRACY:  It’s funny, I kept picking up… like I was getting this, this these images of, you know how goats traditionally… They kind of just Boing Boing Boing around, especially when they’re little and there’s just this big sense of joy that for me anyway that, that comes with that. And I feel like that’s part of also what Chip is here to bring is just like this joy, and like my heart just feels kind of uplifted when I when he’s showing me that. And it is almost like this level of not judging us for being livestock. Like there is sort of this I feel like in the human mind hierarchy thing. And you know, livestock are down here and then domesticated animals are here and humans are here kind of thing. And yeah, there’s just so much I feel with the joy and the doing doing… like happiness, curiosity goat thing that he’s… Oh yeah, I feel I feel like he very specifically chose a goat body. And that’s part of the reason is just that level of joy. Especially in this day and age like I think we’ve come to accept goats as as something a little bit more interesting, perhaps, in at least American society.

 

MELISSA:  And he definitely I think that kind of the joy is maybe what I experienced that the caffeination is just like that rejuvenation and that that happiness.

 

TRACY:  So we’ve talked about a lot of things here today. I wonder if any any of your buddies there have anything else that they want to share or anything else comes to mind for you, Melissa? That we haven’t already talked about.

 

MELISSA:  One story I want to share that actually.. do you not want me to share this one, Chip? He’s like, “Eh.” I’m gonna share anyways because I love it and I think it’s cute. When when we moved here weren’t any cows in the field next to us. When the grass was big enough they brought some cows over. Chipper had been grazing like this field down quite a bit. And the cows had just been in that like brand new pasture. So the kind of the lead cow came and she just like, looks over. And then her… like Chip came to the fence and she came as close to the fences as they really could. He was just kind of grumbling, he was like, “Yeah, we don’t have that much of the good stuff left.” And she’s like, “Well, everything was great over here. Why don’t you just come on over here?” And she was just like, I don’t understand. But I can’t go through the electric fence. So I brought out like treats and food out for him because I felt really bad. But interspecies… even within livestock, they can communicate with each other and it was more of I’m not sure what how they experienced it. But it was clearly like they were communicating these different things and they let me they let me kind of listen in because I had asked them like, Hey, what are you guys talking about what’s going on? It wasn’t like that was broadcasted to me, but so even within like the different livestock species, they can communicate with one another, which I find very, very intriguing. Because they are so different, even between like goats and sheep. They behave differently. They have different temperaments of sorts. 

 

TRACY:  Yeah, that’s a cool story. It’s so interesting. And why don’t you just come on over here. Well, Melissa, thank you so much for joining me here today and telling us your story and your experiences with livestock. I’ve found it really really fascinating. It’s it’s an area I haven’t explored nearly nearly as much I think, as you have. So it’s been really interesting for me to hear and I’m sure listeners are going wow, that’s cool too. So if people listening wanted to reach out and connect with you, what would be the best way for them to do that?

 

MELISSA:  Yep, email me at my last name Schubert dot missy@gmail.com Email’s the best way. Love to answer questions and hear your stories too, because that’s always fun.

 

TRACY:  Awesome. Well, we’ll definitely include that in the show notes so people be able to connect with you if they feel so called. All right, Melissa. Again, thank you so much for being here today. It was so wonderful. To connect with you and to hear your stories and to hear from Isabel, Huckleberry and Chip as well. Thanks you guys for participating.

 

MELISSA:  Thank you. Where did Chip go? Oh, Chips like I’m getting water. Sorry. Thanks. I really appreciate that. You had us on and thank you for giving us the opportunity to talk and especially to give these guys a place for them where they can share their thoughts and feelings too. That’s just tremendous. Thank you so much. 

 

TRACY:  You’re welcome. My pleasure. 

 

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Tracy Pierce is an Animal Communicator based in Colorado. She is inspired to connect humans with the deeper wisdom of their animal friends through one-on-one Animal Communication sessions and larger in-person Animal Communication workshops.

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Petsitting, Nomadic Activism and Interspecies Communication | Briana Halliwell

Petsitting, Nomadic Activism and Interspecies Communication | Briana Halliwell

Petsitting, Nomadic Activism and Interspecies Communication

 

Our topic for this episode is:

Petsitting, Nomadic Activism and Interspecies Communication
 
 
 
 
In this episode we talk about:
2:38 Briana’s history and work with animals
11:19 How Briana started as a pet sitter
17:19 Advancing as an animal communicator
18:26 Kitty cat Nell makes an appearance
19:24 Do we need human teachers to become an animal communicator?
20:13 Experiences with animal communication while pet sitting
23:35 How animal communication helped a special needs dog while pet sitting
27:23 How learning interspecies communication changed Briana’s life
33:00 The importance of right relationship
34:49 Briana’s aspirations for the future
39:48 What’s next for The Breezy Bus
44:00 Hope for bringing animal communication to a wider audience
 
Connect with Briana:
🚌 Website: www.thebreezybus.com
🚌 IG: @thebreezybus 
 
 

Other links mentioned in the show:
🐾 Anna Breytenbach’s organization Animal Spirit
https://www.animalspirit.org/

🐾 Class: For the Love of Animals
https://www.animalspirit.org/content/…

🐾 Anna Breytenbach interview with Charles Eisenstein

https://charleseisenstein.org/podcast…

 
 
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Chats with Animal Professionals and Interspecies Communicators aims to bring animals and the world of nature front and center. We’ll be chatting with professionals working in the animal industry and intuitive interspecies communicators about their work in the field.
 
 
Chats with Animal Professionals and Interspecies Communicators is for animal and nature lovers, intuitives, spiritual seekers, and those interested in interspecies communication.
 
 
Our aim is to bring awareness these professions and to expose the new and old science behind some of these seemingly out-of-this-world careers. We hope to educate and tickle your mind about what is possible by discussing this work and ways we can work WITH our animal friends, nature friends and the planet as whole instead of them being a secondary consideration.
 
 

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TRACY:  Hello and welcome to this episode of Chats With Animal Professionals and Interspecies Communicators. Our guest today is Briana Halliwell and our topic is Petsitting, Nomadic Activism and Interspecies Communication. 

 

Briana is a writer, contemplative activist, soul searcher and aspiring interspecies communicator who hears a divine call to weave the forgotten web of connection back into the places, both personal and collective, where colonizer consciousness has spread the lie that humans are separate from each other and the earth. Briana is acutely aware of what she calls the cosmic ache as an empath and vessel of divine source. She can feel in her body the collective wounds of humanity and the more-than-human beings with whom we share the earth. She is called to help humanity heal from the deleterious effects of global colonization. Brianna, welcome to the show. 

 

BRIANA:  Thank you. Thank you for having me. 

 

TRACY:  So to kick things off, could you tell us a bit more about the work you’ve done with animals and how interspecies communication came into play for you?

 

BRIANA:  Sure. So I’ve been a huge animal lover my entire life ever since I was a little kid. I would connect more with animals in my home than I would with the humans. And I certainly felt from a young age that I could talk to them. I have since learned that there may have been some actual dissociation going on. Like I felt like I was almost blending with my dog’s energy for example. I was sort of hoping to escape to a safer place where the animal really served that role for me as a young child. Growing up in a somewhat tumultuous household. For most of my life, I had really strong sense that somehow I was meant to work with animals and went into considering veterinary medicine. Wildlife Biology is what I ended up studying in college. But this part of it never quite fit for me. It felt like it was sort of… there was a layer of separation between myself and the beings who I really wanted to and longed to connect with. So while I was in college, I studied abroad in East Africa. I studied wildlife management in Kenya, in Tanzania. And again, just had this sense I’m meant to work with these animals in some way or another but not to research them. And after college started working at a small nonprofit private zoo, where there…It was mostly a big cat sanctuary. And there I had a tremendous amount of energetic connection with the animals. But I didn’t know how to talk about it because, I have at that point I had almost been trained to believe the animals didn’t have. You know, I was taught not to anthropomorphize the animals or to assume what they were thinking or feeling even though I, in my heart, had known for a long time. that animals are extremely empathic and sensitive creatures who have their own kind of intelligence and emotional intelligence especially. And that knowing actually, in… when I was about 15 led me to stop eating meat for about 10 years I was aware of the meat on my plate, especially if it had been factory farmed or, you know, didn’t come from a local organic source. I could actually feel in my body, like the pain of the animal that I was eating. And I had a similar sense when I was at the conservators center, this nonprofit that I worked at where it was like anytime we had to shift an animal from one enclosure to another there was just like this, like, like, oh, there’s got to be a different way to do this. Because their approach was, it was actually very hands on but not sensitive. It was sort of you just, you’d go in there, you put the animal you know, into the crate and you move them without ever kind of talking to the animal about it or having a smooth transition. It was just like, well, that’s just another task we need to um, and when I was at the conservators center, or there’s a lot going on in my personal life and within the management and staff just led to it not being a very healthy environment for myself or for the animals. And there was a couple of instances where I was working with another keeper and we were in an enclosure and the animals out there we, you know, approached too quickly and so there’s actually a couple of attacks that kind of create a concern for everybody in the whole staffing unit, but rather than having a conversation about how to have better protocols or you know how we can do things differently. They just wanted to take me out of the equation. There was, you know, at that age I was in my early 20s I didn’t really know who I was, I just knew I wanted to work with animals and I didn’t have the language to talk about what I felt like was going on, which was very much energetic and intuitive sense of like these, you know, these animals are not being cared for in the ways that they could be. They were well cared for, attended to with their basic needs of food and shelter. And affection and connection. You know, it was a very well-run facility, but as an intuitive empath, it was just, something felt really off. I ended up leaving that job kind of feeling like well, you know, I got attacked by the animal so maybe, is something wrong with me? And I’m not meant to work with animals? It kind of like, set me off on a different path for a while where I got more into writing and editing and activism with humans. And that was good and important. But all the while I was petsitting and just had this clear sense of I’m not meant to be working with humans so much. I’m meant to really be hands on working with the animals. And I think it was back to maybe September October that all think… of 2020… No, maybe 2021 I heard a podcast with Anna Breytenbach, a South African based, intuitive interspecies communicator, and it was Charles Eisenstein podcast, I listened to, and she talked about interspecies communication as a professional path. And it just sparked this young part of me that said, Oh, there people doing this work in the world? I know about the intelligence of the animal “kin-dom”, I don’t call it the “kingdom”, that I can learn from. And actually, that’s why my personal intuitive, empathic skill set, for a long time I kind of, I just said as I said, and it feels like I had to kind of create a callous, a callous for myself to protect myself from the harshness of the world and especially the human created world. Over the past several years, I’ve been leaning more into how to connect with animals on which, or from a much more sensitive and empathic place.

 

TRACY:  Wow, your story is really amazing and I can relate a lot to what you’re saying. When I was in my 20s, I worked for animal control and so I can totally relate to what you’re saying about… the particular shelter that I worked with, like they were very well known in my area for being amazing. And but at the same time there were these things going on there that just didn’t feel quite right to me and you know, after I left that job, it was a similar thing where I kind of went on a totally different path and and then like happened to connect with an animal communicator that kind of like sparked like, oh, there is something else here that I could really dive into and and work with the way I feel about animals in a totally different way than I ever thought was possible. So it’s so amazing to hear other people have, you know, kind of a similar story and to feel that sensitivity and to be able to come back around and eventually learn to connect with the animals in a different way. That feels so much better than these very… I guess I want to say institutional ways that we’ve typically treated animals or looked at animals in the past. So you have a lot of background working with animals, as you’ve told us a little bit here so far. And, you know, we talked about pet sitting when we were kind of emailing back and forth and these things. I wonder, is there anything else that you would want to say about how that work with animals kind of influenced you to get more into the interspecies communication part of things or …?

 

BRIANA:  I kind of… I feel like I got into house sitting and pet sitting sort of randomly. Like I’m, I’m sure that through college or times of my lifetime. I have definitely stayed at other people’s houses and looked after their pets or lived with roommates who had pets and it was just sort of a natural transition for me. And it was like a family friend was looking for somebody to have stay for a couple of weeks. And they had farm animals. There’s a donkey and two pygmy goats and a cow and it’s like, and two dogs and a cat. And I said, Yeah, you know, I grew up on a farm. I’ve taken care of a lot of different types of animals. I think I can do that. I did and it worked fine. At the time. I didn’t really know what animal communication was. And so it was just me caring for them like you said I traditionally had, but that same winter this was maybe three years ago now, another family friend who had pets got us in touch with another person who had recently adopted a really sweet dog that was just not very well socialized. And a… kind of special needs dog. It was like, not just any person could come in and take care of him. They couldn’t bring them to a kennel when they went away on, like ski trips and things which they did a lot because their son was on the ski team. And so they were really looking for somebody who could actually come live at their house for up to a week at a time to be with this dog who, you know, really just needed a different level of sensitivity. And I think most people aren’t willing or able to provide for a pet, at least in my experience. But I think that that first interaction, like the first couple of times I went to the house, he wouldn’t even approach me unless the mom was home. He like… if I had a lot of treats. He wouldn’t be in the room with me like he wouldn’t. He wouldn’t let me touch him. He would… he would not eat for like the first couple of times and I was there if I had to feed him a meal, he just wouldn’t eat it until his family got home. And so this is a few months after I had heard that podcast with Anna Breytenbach talk. And it occurred to me like there’s…clearly there’s communication that can happen between us. So I knew just sort of the basics of how to center myself, how to open myself energetically and how to open my heart to him. And I just tried that, the first time that I stayed there for like a whole week. And I’m trying to remember if my partner was with me, he really didn’t like my partner who’s a man you know, it’s I think the dog had a different sense of the male versus female humans, he was more nervous around them. And so I think it was just the two of us, just me and this dog Lex. And I, one morning, came downstairs and usually when I would come downstairs he would just walk in like out of a room or back upstairs just be away from me. But the whole time that I was walking down the stairs I was just putting out this energetic like “I love you, Lex. I love you… like I am going to go to the refrigerator. You know get out your food, like I’m going to walk pretty close by you. You don’t need to move, just be relaxed.” And I was just sort of in this really nice pleasant place in my own body. And Lex just laid there and looked at me and we made eye contact and he didn’t feel like he had to get up and run away. And it was just such a marvelous moment for me to realize. Like I don’t, you know this dog who’s very… human like afraid of humans and very nervous around new people. That all he needs is just a little extra love and attention and consciousness, you know, this this kind of silent signal that we can… or that I could send to him to let him know that you see you can trust me. Because we’ve been now, dog sitting at that home with Lex for about three years. It’s just been really wonderful to see him grow and develop, the communications that I’ve been able to have with him since then. 

 

TRACY:  Wow, that’s really cool to be able to connect like that with an animal. I’ve had some similar experiences, pet setting and just to feel that trust and that love then come from them is pretty amazing. Now, I recall you said it was about 2021 when you first found Anna and then… so you’ve kind of been doing more studying since then. So just to give us a little bit of context, what level do you see yourself as an interspecies communicator at this point in time?

 

BRIANA:  It is kind of an interesting question. At this particular point in my life. Because I think I see myself really differently than other people who know me and about my communications see me. So I feel a bit like an impostor and a little bit stuck in the beginner phase. There’s a part of me that is aware I have not taken an official workshop or class with… or had any kind of mentoring one on one with a human animal communicator. I did take a couple of group classes that weren’t focused on the techniques or practices of animal communication, but more on the theory of it. I guess I would say amateur, which I’m kind of trying to reclaim that word for myself. Like I know I’m not a total beginner but I am certainly not advanced in the way that I practice it every day or do it professionally. It’s like I now feel confident that I can communicate with…I don’t know if you can see her but [cat walking through the background of video]  the cat back there. 

 

TRACY:  Yeah, I see her!

 

BRIANA:  So we’re actually cat sitting right now. And you know, I feel confident. I had a little conversation with Nell and then our dog Kali who is also here at the house with us, who mostly gets along with cats. But the owners have, or Nell’s parents were kind of nervous about having another dog… or having a dog in the house with her and you know, I could assure them, I will be communicating with the two of them to ensure that nothing, you know, if there’s any sense of either of them not wanting to share the space, then we will take care of that. And so I feel confident doing it on my own in situations like this, but I don’t necessarily see myself as like a professional interspecies communicator at this point.

 

TRACY:  Right, it’s good to have that context and I definitely can relate to the imposter syndrome thing. Yeah, I felt like really, I didn’t have human teachers necessarily… like I had read a few books but it was more like the animals wanted to teach me and then when the animals started saying, “Well, Tracy we want you to do this professionally like to start to offer to people” I was like, Are you kidding me? I don’t have the right training for this. They’re like, “What do you think we’ve been doing the last two years?” So yeah, it’s kind of funny, though, the way that animals can kind of give us that little push maybe that that we need. And I guess I feel like as long as we’re able to communicate with them, you know we don’t necessarily have to prove ourselves to the humans. Right. So, you know, one of the main reasons I had contacted you was because you’re a pet sitter, and I’m also a pet sitter, I’m pet sitting right now actually, as well. And it certainly changed the way that I approached pet sitting and I’m curious if the learning the more… learning that you’ve done of the animal communication has changed the way that you pet sit or experiences and anything you might like to share with us about that. 

 

BRIANA:  Yeah, I would say the biggest thing is just like similarly to this example with Nell, like before I even got to the house. Like I had come to the house to meet the cat, meet her parents and see the place… and it’s a longer pet sit, It’s six weeks. Oh, I guess after I met Nell, I asked them to send me a photo of her. And that’s when I did the communication, even before coming into the house. Just to give her a sense of who I am. That her parents will be away for a while, you know, she, it just, I guess there’s a level of respect that feels like since I started practicing interspecies communication, it’s, I just have a different level of respect that I feel is important to offer to the animal. Like, rather than assuming that they know what’s going on or that you know, they’ll be fine with a stranger in their house for six weeks. It’s like no, like if I was going to stay with a friend for six weeks, I would certainly be having conversations with them about, you know, boundaries and spaces that they like their favorite foods and that sort of I think that’s really been the biggest difference for me is just that having that respectful conversation with the animals or before going into the house so that we can just start off on a good foot and have a good time, or both of us 

 

TRACY:  And I assume then that you found it but it’s kind of easier to connect with the animal then when you’re there and like to get that trust factor kind of in place, would you… Does that seem accurate to you? Or…

 

BRIANA:  Oh definitely. Lex, again the dog that we were dog sitting … that we have been dog sitting me for a few years, like he’s a great example of like I said. When I first started he wouldn’t he wouldn’t even come near me. After a few house sits, and communicating with him and just having a lot of connection with him, he now gets up in my… I mean, he’s a big dog but he thinks he’s the lap dog and he will just get up on my chest and cuddle with me. And it’s like I couldn’t even touch this dog for weeks. When I was first meeting him without communicating. It definitely has shifted the level of trust and relationship and I’m able to have animals that I’m caring for.

 

TRACY:  Are there any other stories that you want to tell about Lex or any of the other petsitting experiences that really have stood out to you? 

 

BRIANA:  I think… one about Lex…After  I had developed that really close relationship with him, one of the things… I think it was… so they have, the house has like an above garage apartment and I was staying in for a little while so that I was… present for the time when they were often going away and I could just be the house already to take care of Lex. But in order to do that I really wanted my dog to be with me too. Because otherwise she would have to stay with my mom and that was just, it would have been better to have her with us. But both Lex and Kali have been attacked by other dogs in the past and had a little bit of fearful aggression that you know understandably myself and the other owner were a bit concerned about introducing them. Especially because the first time that they did meet they were playing really well. We thought wow, this is going to be awesome. But I think Kali had a stick and Lex meant to steal it and she got really upset and there’s sort of this [] moment that I think any dog owner having seen that it’s like oh no like it’s… It seems a lot more dramatic and frightening to the human and it is for the dog. Which you know, I took on myself to do the learning that was required to be like, okay, dogs, emotion and aggression a lot different differently than humans and it’s not always bad or as as problematic as it might appear. But because of this, we felt uncertain whether Kali and Lex could like be in the same place. I… we were… the family was going away for a whole week and my partner and I… I think it was over Christmas. And we had, we thought about like well, maybe one of us will be in the apartment with Kali and the other room in the house at Lex but you know, it’s Christmas and we just kind of wanted to… We wanted to all be together. And so I took a chance and I communicated with Lex and Kali, although admittedly it’s a little bit more challenging for me to connect with Kali as my own dog. There’s just some areas that I found it’s harder for me to believe what she tells me because it’s like I know too much. But, you know, I sent a lot of energetic messages to both of them and asked how you know they wanted to share space with each other. And we just did it slowly, you know where we would have them outside, but at a distance so they could look at each other and you could smell each other’s you know, pee spots and stuff. And then eventually after like, maybe two or three days, a whole week that we were there. I think by the third day we not only were they able to play outside in the yard, they also shared space in the house and they would cuddle on the couch together. And it was just that reminder of like oh, right like these animals just need love and attention and patience. That’s a really big one. Yeah, owners when they came back, they were so happy that you know their dog had a friend for the week. There wasn’t any anymore if that social anxiety

 

TRACY:  That’s really that’s a really great story and gives a great example of how animal communication can really help because integrating different animals can be a huge challenge. It’s one of the things I work with all the time and yeah, sometimes just listening and letting them know what’s going on and then to make such a huge difference. So I know besides pet setting, you do a lot of other things. And I would guess that perhaps you know learning interspecies communication has changed other aspects of your life and work. Is there anything that stands out to you with that?

 

BRIANA:  Learning interspecies communication actually changed the entire course of my life in a pretty major way. I’m still in the midst of and still sort of reeling from it because… it’s like now that I know that that is a possibility, that being a professional, intuitive interspecies communicator is a possible life path for me. It’s almost like there’s nothing else that I feel like I can devote my life to with as much passion for as connecting with the wild more-than-human world. But, and as someone who’s very much a doer and you know needs to pay the bills. It’s and was raised, you know in my bio, I use the term colonizer consciousness. And as someone is, as everyone really who lives in the western world or for me growing up in the United States. I was raised to believe that I am separate from the more-than-human world. That we can’t communicate with, you know, all of the things that go into what happens when you colonize an earth based culture. And that kind of reclaiming that connection with the wild world and with myself my own intuitive nature. That has been such a hugely transformative area to plant life. Because now I see you know, of course as you know, hopefully more and more people are starting to understand that, we need this right relationship with the more-than-human beings. Like we.. I recognize I cannot take the earth for granted. It almost feels to me like there’s nothing more important and reestablishing that connection and kinship with the non-human beings with whom we share this earth. And that includes the trees and the oceans and the land and the mountains. You know, it’s not just animals. It’s not it’s not just animals, certainly. 

 

But… one of the things learning intuitive interspecies communication has taught me is the importance of being an open vessel. And recognizing when I’m coming too much from my head, when I get stuck in the mental realms of thought and I’m feeling into my body and I think that’s, that’s what I’m noticing right now… I was coming from this place of, sort of, is a, human mind place. When we started the interview, we had that grounding meditation. I kind of joked that there may be a being who wants to communicate through us, you know, and I just had the sense of my mom’s dog Fenwick. He… very… he was like eighteen we think… he was between 18 and 20 years old, and just recently transitioned. Yeah, I just have this sort of… he’s sort of here on my shoulder just reminding me like you said, sometimes the animals are the ones who tell us who we are, or remind us of our gifts and he’s just sort of here saying like, Yeah, remember, YOU ARE an interspecies communicator, you are this open vessel, for the communication to flow through and I think that it is so challenging for me personally, and I think I speak for a lot of people here. When I say it’s so challenging to live the intuitive life in the capitalistic, colonized world that wants you to be producing and doing and thinking money or spending money constantly. You know, as most I think animal communicators know, it doesn’t always pay the bills to have these connections with the animals, but it fulfills such a deeper part of my soul that, it feels like all I can do sometimes. Or all I’m being asked to do.

 

TRACY:  Wow, you said so many things that feel so important. I feel like the part about having the right relationship you know, not only with animals, but with all the other sentient beings and like the whole of the earth included. And you and I first connected because we both attended the Multispecies Symposium earlier this year here in 2023. And even though I had been doing animal communication for many years, I had sort of but not really thought about how to apply that to you know, the plants the the earth the you know, the rocks, so you know, like, oh my god, the rocks here in Colorado are amazing. I was just looking at them yesterday going “Wow.” But like you said in our colonized society, we become so disconnected. We see ourselves as separate you know, and like I’m still watching my language about this where you know, we refer to animals that are not human as “non-human”. You know, we always have… we’re always comparing other other living beings to ourselves, and maybe that’s just because that’s how our brains work that way. But I totally agree with you where living the intuitive life in the colonized world where we’re supposed to be producing and always, you know, engaged in this systematic market. But I feel very similar to you where it does really fulfill something deeper, and like my inner eight year old gets so excited whenever I’m able to talk to animals or even like plants recently, it’s been, it’s really kind of just shifted everything for me and that kind of sounds like it has for you as well.

 

BRIANA:  Absolutely.

 

TRACY:  So from our exchanges outside of this episode, it seems like you’ve got some really big aspirations for working with animals. Is there something that you’re most looking forward to about the future and your skills with working with animals?

 

BRIANA:  One of the parts that I’ve been learning to reclaim about myself recently is the visionary. The inner… the imagination, like the imaginative and imaginative where you can envision a different world that is not going back to the past, but is, you know, listening to, respecting traditional indigenous knowledge ways that have always contributed to healthy wholesome relationships and reciprocal relationships with the natural world. As humans are part and parcel of the natural world. It just… I just wanted to name that learning from indigenous elders is one of the most important aspects for me… of reclaiming this intuitive reconnection with the natural world and with the earth and animals and non-human or more-than-human beings. 

 

The vision that I have held in the past or that has kind of come through me, I almost don’t want to name it yet, publicly because well, first, I recognize that it’s, it’s not the end all be all. It’s just a one… It’s like the one lens that I’m even able to consider right now. But the possibility of like, the scope of what is possible is far beyond anything I can even imagine right now. And I really want to keep on, to keep it up kind of as a seed in the soil that’s germinating and I don’t know what it will grow into. But I will say I have this deep hope that someday either. You know, I don’t know if it will be something that I find or found myself, but I just on or for almost like a sanctuary for humans, not just a human centric retreat center, but but a place at least where people can come to reconnect with themselves with their own goals, and with more-than-human beings with whom we share this earth. And there’s so many retreat centers, so many yoga centers, you know, plenty of conference centers, so many things out there that exist. And I personally have not yet found the place that there is a focus on intuitive interspecies communication. It feels like the place that I need and if it doesn’t exist, perhaps I’m being asked to create it. So that’s just one little part of it. It’s just a curiosity of both how I can connect more with the wild beings all around me but also how to invite other people into that exploration. So that there is this ripple effect that more people actually under, like can start to see the world through what I call an animistic lens. You know, animism seeing the world is so everything is animate and alive. At.. to me feels, almost like the key, one of the keystone things that can be done. It’s not like we can reverse the effects of colonization and climate change of course, but at least to contribute to a different or whole world, I believe is possible.

 

TRACY:  Yeah, that’s that’s really, that’s really cool about bringing this vision or holding it… I guess it’d be more accurate to say holding this vision, that’s like a seed just starting to germinate. And I seem to remember from one of our very early email exchanges that you’re looking to connect with people who feel a pull towards this same kind of vision. So anybody listening who was like, “Wow, yeah, that’s cool. That’s exactly what I’ve been looking for… I’ve been…yeah,  yeah..” We’ll, we’ll, we’ll definitely include some information about how people can get in touch with you. So if this is really resonating with them, maybe you guys can get your visions together and come up with something that really brings forward what you’re talking about here.

 

BRIANA:  Yes, I would love that.

 

TRACY:  Now, so you, your partner and your canine friend Kali all live in a converted school bus and you guys travel around and do pet sitting and other activist kind of work. Do you guys travel anywhere, or you guys looking for more petsitting opportunities or what’s coming up for you all?

 

BRIANA:  Yeah, that’s a great question. It’s like… It’s in that visionary seed stage. Leaving this place that we’ve been house sitting pet sitting, for about the past six weeks, we’re moving back into the bus. We’re here in Maine in my home state where both of our families are, which is really lovely to get to reconnect with family after traveling for most of the previous year. We are wide open right now to like I said, we want to like… I have this desire to either find or found some sort of a community where the main focus for people is reconnecting with the more-than-human world. And dismantling what I refer to as internalized colonizer consciousness. Yes, we are open to petsitting, like that’s very much part of our income part of our livelihood. Something… a way that we both can offer gifts and… My partner, he’s, he doesn’t call himself an animal communicator, but he definitely is, he’s just so good with animals and very sensitive empathic person as well. But he’s also a handyman or… and he’s a handyman and he loves doing projects and construction and likes to help out with people, when we stay at their houses if there are projects that they could use help with. So it’s sort of a combo. We’re we’re hoping to get out to the west coast at some point in the next several months and travel in the Pacific Northwest and in California. Wyoming, Idaho… places I haven’t gotten to see before.

 

TRACY:  Wow, that’s really cool. I didn’t realize that your partner also did handyman work. So that’s Wow, that’s like a huge benefit. To get the whole combo thing animal communication and your handyman. Well, that’s amazing. Well, Brianna, we’ve talked a lot. We’ve talked about a lot of different things here today. Is there anything else that we haven’t already talked about that you feel call to share?

 

BRIANA:  There’s a part of me that feels a hope, this is sort of a step that I’m not sure what to take but it’s it’s almost like making a commitment to myself if I say it publicly because I’ve been thinking about it for a long time and I’ve told enough of my intimate, you know, friends and family about it, but my last name “Halliwell”, as you know, is it literally means “holy well”, or one who tends the holy well. I have a I think I referenced this a little bit earlier. Part of my sense of calling is to be like a clear channel or open vessel. In other words like this deep well, where where love and energy and communication can can live through me. And I can also just be this this nurturing well for people in the more-than-human world. I have this curiosity in the back of my mind of how, how does our, you know, “producing”, I don’t love that word, but there is a sense of needing to contribute in some way to the wider world. I will most likely be putting out a newsletter, like the “Holy Well Newsletter” at some point in the next several months. And one of the biggest things that held me back from doing that is a deep seated belief that the world isn’t ready for what these animals are channeling for me. But I’m just wanting to name that here because it feels important. You know if there is an audience who wants to hear more of what the animals are asking me, or even if it’s only four or five people, that’s okay.

 

TRACY:  Yeah, there’s something about you know, just starting where we are. And I feel like for me I, being an animal communicator can sometimes feel very lonely. And, you know, like, because I’m working on my own and this and that was one of the things they talked about in the symposium that we had both attended. And frankly, this podcast was very much inspired by that symposium because I saw how many people were interested in this and I was just like, holy cow. I had no idea like this was so widespread, and there were so many people doing actual scientific research and perhaps I was also holding myself back a bit. Because Oh, well, there’s only certain people who are ready for this or this or that and, but I guess I see like, the generations younger than me coming up, like there’s so much more openness than gonna say generally, my generation and older might tend to have, and I actually I find it really inspiring to meet people like you to who are, you know, stepping into this, frankly, at a much younger age than I did. And getting all excited thinking about this. And the one word that you kind of mentioned when we when I first asked this question was “hope.” And I feel like bringing this sense of hope forward to people that there is perhaps a different way of stepping out of this colonization mentality that there is hope for something and that if enough of us can keep bringing that forward, that we really can’t help redirect the path for the future. And I don’t know part of me really does want to give to that and it sounds like you do too.

 

BRIANA:  Yes, absolutely. I’m glad that it makes you so excited. Because it’s key to remember, like, oh yeah, there’s a huge community of people who live really far away and you know, the web is growing and I have a longing to be in person with interspecies communicators, but also recognize that this is, this is super, super meaningful. And you know, Zoom calls, and things like the symposium can really connect us across across continents. It’s pretty incredible. Yeah. Awesome.

 

TRACY:  Well, thank you so much, Brianna, for joining me here today. So if listeners wanted to learn more about you or get in touch, what would be the best way for them to do that?

 

BRIANA:  Yeah, probably through our website. We don’t use it super often. But there’s information in our pet sitting and a little feedback form at the bottom where you can send a question… or a contact form, and that is www.thebreezybus.com. And that’s “Breezy” like the breeze breezy, B U S. That’s also my email address, thebreezybus@gmail.com. That’s probably the easiest way to get in touch. If people are on social media, we’re also at thebreezybus on Instagram, and also on Facebook.

 

TRACY:  Awesome. We will definitely include all those links in the show notes. So if people want to get in touch we’ll be able to just click right on over. So again, thank you so much for being here and chatting with us. It’s been so wonderful to talk with you here today.

 

BRIANA:  Sure, thank you so much again for having me. It was a true pleasure.

 

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Navigate Life’s Challenges & Opportunities with the Help of “Land Listening” | Kelly Mullen

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Navigate Life’s Challenges & Opportunities with the Help of “Land Listening”

 

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Navigate Life’s Challenges & Opportunities with the Help of “Land Listening”
 
 
 
 
In this episode we talk about:
3:20 How Kelly came to do the work she does
5:40 Healing from codependency and caregiving burnout
12:30 Healing with the land and past life experiences
16:45 Nature, communication and healing
22:18 Activating the vagus nerve to access healing and creativity
25:53 Land listening and connecting with inner wisdom
31:20 Connection with nature for well-being and intuition
36:02 Using poetry to connect with others and manage nervous system responses
40:25 Interspecies communication and nature connection
43:10 Using nature and inner guidance to navigate life’s challenges
 
 
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Chats with Animal Professionals and Interspecies Communicators aims to bring animals and the world of nature front and center. We’ll be chatting with professionals working in the animal industry and intuitive interspecies communicators about their work in the field.
 
 
Chats with Animal Professionals and Interspecies Communicators is for animal and nature lovers, intuitives, spiritual seekers, and those interested in interspecies communication.
 
 
Our aim is to bring awareness these professions and to expose the new and old science behind some of these seemingly out-of-this-world careers. We hope to educate and tickle your mind about what is possible by discussing this work and ways we can work WITH our animal friends, nature friends and the planet as whole instead of them being a secondary consideration.
 
 

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TRACY:  Hello and welcome to this episode of chats with animal professionals and interspecies communicators. Our guest today is Kelly Mullen and our topic is navigate life’s challenges and opportunities with the help of land listening. 

 

Have you ever felt stumped by a problem or confused about a next step and then walked outside to clear your mind and the solution or ideal course of action suddenly became clear. That’s sort of what it’s like to attend a land listening walk or hike. Whether you come to the trailhead stressed or anxious, Kelly C. Mullen partners with nature to offer a series of invitations for participants to connect with the Earth, themselves and each other, so they can receive a helpful message from their inner wisdom. 

 

Since February 2022, Kelly began offering a variety of land listening experiences for her community in Boulder County, Colorado. As a transformational coach, shamanic practitioner, tension and trauma release exercise or TRE provider, reiki master, poet and author each event is an extension of her creative expression and passion for supporting empathetic women as they recover their energy after unsupportive relationships. 

 

Whether it’s through private coaching and energy healing or facilitating group events, she creates an hold space for her clients to experience relief from frustrating physical symptoms and exhaustion. So they can express their true nature and create a life of connection fulfillment and joy. Kelly, welcome to the show.

 

KELLY:  Hi Tracy. Thanks for having me.

 

TRACY:  And I’m really looking forward to our conversation today. So to kick things off, could you tell us a little bit more about you and how did how you came to do this work that you’re doing?

 

KELLY:  Yes, I knew you’re gonna ask me that. And I could answer that in so many different ways. So I got stuck. And it’s like, what do I do? I actually employ in my mind, some of the strategies that I incorporate into these land listening events. And I wrote a little poem and said just Yeah, and just saw what what came through and there was a main message about caregiving that I thought I would share a little bit about me, you know. 

 

So I am a transformational coach and energy healing facilitator, but really how it came about, this kind of work, is I played that role of a caregiver in so many ways. You know, starting from when I was really little, being mom’s little helper for two younger siblings. I got really good at and also being really empathic where I can feel others emotions as if they are my own within my own body. I got really good at being hyper attuned to other’s emotions, and if I could anticipate you know, what their needs are and their expectations then they wouldn’t feel angry or fearful or sad, and I could problem solve, fix, sooth, please. And then I wouldn’t have to feel those dense, dense energies. 

 

So but those are… that started to employ like coping mechanisms that were really codependent behaviors and while they served me when I was young, you know, and I could really, you know, it’s like the flip side of that is that I was really attuned to others needs and empathetic and intuitive, really honed my intuition. You know, I could be a really great babysitter when I was young. I taught swimming lessons in a very gentle way and could really hold space for kids so they could feel, you know, be scared to be in the baby pool, and then all of a sudden, at the end of the summer, they’re in the big pool swimming. So, you know, it’s like two sides of the coin there. 

 

And then and then I got into, I continued in my 20s really caregiving for others children on the side either just just to be there for friends, but also started a career in corporate training and development. And while that wasn’t really a caregiving role, I was really still very focused on meeting the needs and expectations of my managers and the people who were part of our training and I was able to, you know, employ a lot of gifts that, you know, building teams and working with a lot of people and different people, and putting them together to get things done. And I always have that problem solving, like anything could get done. I always knew there had to be a way. But the, but there were moments of real burnout in that. And so at some point, you know, my body was telling me it was time for a change. You know, I was getting a lot of frustrating physical symptoms, say and went to burnout. So I got into life coaching, got my certification for that. 

 

And again, I was like, Okay, I’m really just like the teaching swimming lessons. I felt lifted and I’m able to express my gifts and this came easy. And our coach, our trainer said, you know, look, I know you’ve been coaching your whole life. We were really here to you know, help give you some strategies, you know, some coaching techniques that will really help you and you can start your business, but also looking back what I noticed is it really helped me heal from some of those codependent behaviors and then that and, and then it also so in the healing, then it also allowed me to stop doing… take care of myself, you know, so I could serve and be of service and take care of myself at the same time. So I felt really great. Like this is a new path that I could take. And I knew it’s going to take a few years to get my business up and running. But you know, I gave it a go I got I still was on my healing path and gravitated to a lot of other healing modalities as you mentioned in the introduction, you know, from intuitive coaching, Mind Body coaching to shamanic healing, Reiki, TRE, like all of this just because I want I gravitated toward it and I felt relief. And that’s where my curiosity was, was leading me so that I could put myself out there and attract clients because starting a business was like a whole new thing. And it brings up your stuff. 

 

So I just gravitated to all these modalities and I and I, it was wonderful. But then I got into another caregiving role with my parents. My mom was diagnosed with stage four adrenal gland cancer in 2016. And later, I realized that my dad was showing cognitive issues. So it kind of like okay, here’s a whole other layer of kind of codependent behavior that needed to be released. Because I went back… I went to my parents home, not the one I grew up in, but in their home and the dynamics were still there. You know, now having lived you know, a couple of decades on my own and then coming back and then when you add that kind of emotional caretaking that just kind of defaulted to in a lot of ways. And then you add the physical elements of caregiving that were involved, it just wasn’t sustainable. And I gained 25 pounds you know, after my mom passed away. I had you know, I was chronically fatigued. I found out that I went to health care providers said you know, your did a test on my adrenals and cortisol levels and she said you’re on fumes need adrenaline to be able to sit up top and to stand. So, you know, I couldn’t sleep. I found out I had sleep apnea, like all of this was going on, and I just didn’t even know what to do like so how could I possibly put myself on a podcast? Like how could I even do some Facebook Lives? How could I run events that when I’m just feeling like blah, and just so so down, you know? Plus, you know, grieving too. So, I and I had a lot of support, you know, which was really great. And one of those big support systems was actually just going out into the land. So I can talk about that later. But that’s kind of a little bit about me and kind of what led up to what I do and I want to be of service and then yeah, so the big question is, how do I recover my energy for all of that? 

 

TRACY:  I can really relate to what you’re saying. I feel like a lot of us who end up working in the healing field have to go through kind of our own healing cycle really, and it can become kind of like oh, we heal this one part and then there’s another little part to heal, and then through what we’re able to learn and healing ourselves were able to help other so I can really relate to what you’re you’re sharing there and I find your your story about the caregiving also so really interesting, and I’m guessing there’s probably a lot of people that can relate to that. Women our age tend to you know, I think that was really common for us to be brought up that way, that we need to take care of others and the people pleasing thing. So it’s so cool to see how you’ve taken those experiences and really brought it forward in a way that can help others.

 

So, you know, part of your healing you said was with the land and you’ve since hosted a lot of these land listening events here in Boulder County, Colorado. Could you tell us a bit more what you mean by land listening?

 

KELLY:  Yeah, so I just thought I had a ring to it. This land listening. I mean, it’s just sort of that just came to me and… but there wasn’t a particular moment when the actual way that I would, you know, start to offer this, you know, make this into an offering just came about. But then I would… I’ll share, you know, kind of like, you know, looking back, I just see how all of these experiences over the last 10 years, you know, led to you know, through this whole healing journey, all of these people and teachers and mentors and just following my curiosity reveal, like, led me to that point. 

 

So that point was during the lockdown. I was out riding my bike, and it’s over by this lake and all of a sudden, I just started picking up a melody you know, and I’m always a little self conscious about my voice and singing and stuff, but I was with a couple of people but they’re further ahead so they didn’t hear me. I just gotta like, heard a… heard this melody. It wasn’t really even hearing it just kind of like, just came through. And then so I… and then I went in another direction and a pickup picked up another tune. 

 

And I thought, Oh, I wonder if this is similar to the Australian Aboriginals? What they call the song lines were. Apparently… My understanding of it is that they kind of delineate the different countries, you know, according to the Aboriginal people, and they, what they’re actually doing is connecting with the dream time and their ancestors. You know, and so if they’re navigating the land, you know, they get a sense of these melodies and then they kind of know where they are. That’s fine. But I could be wrong, but anyway, just popped in my curiosity and which I always think is a great sign. It means I’m out of the… my nervous system state of defense, and I’m onto something. 

 

And so I followed it, and I went back to the area and another another day, and I said, I think there’s a message in these melodies. I think there’s actually like words to this. And so I did a little walk around, picked up some melodies and then I just started writing some poems and I got a really powerful message. And one of the messages that I received was that I had done this before in a past life, this whole concept of picking up songs from the land. And I thought, oh, that’s kind of, you know, maybe I was Native American and… there’s a lot of Native American energy where I was. The Arapaho and the Ute and the Cheyenne as well were in this area, Boulder County. And so I just felt that connection and then two weeks later, I read an article by a Native American woman and she talked about how the medicine person would… people would come with some ailments and they would be given a song for the land. And the message that I got at that time walking around the lake was that I actually in a prior lifetime, you know, got… received the song that I would give to the men going off for a hunt you know, so they could sing a song during the hunt or on their way to it. 

 

So, you know, sometimes I get these and I’m like, Oh, is this really true? Is this really real? As I’m sure you can relate with, like animal communication, like do I trust this? But it was really nice to get that validation a couple weeks later, where I read that article, so you know, anyway, it just feels good. It feels healing to me. So. So that’s it, and I thought, Okay, I’m really having fun with this for the first time. You know, we’re in the lockdown. Maybe I had covid, who knows at that time, you know, I just knew I wasn’t feeling great at different times. And you know, being isolated, and then I, but what gave me energy was to just go outside and take pictures of beauty too, and like, do some of this like bike riding wasn’t anything intense and just being able to see beauty? So that kept me going and then Yeah, but how? 

 

Yeah, and then I basically later on, I remember being on a walk with some other people and this woman, I told I told this woman about land listening and this concept. And I thought, you know, I have this crazy idea of like, taking people through like to pick up songs and see what comes through these messages from the land. And I explained it to her and she said, Oh, I’d go. And I thought, Okay, and that was all it took and then I started to create invitations and just inviting people to join. That’s how it came about. 

 

And yeah, the people that you know what I when I think about how it got to that point, I think about when I first started life coaching and I had a coach named Michael Trotta and his wife, Lynn, who did a lot around sit in the spot. It’s another Native American concept where you sit out in nature in the same spot every day. And so as part of his program, like I don’t know if I did it, maybe everyday for a month and try to keep going. It’s a discipline, but the idea is that you stay out in nature for over 20 minutes and then you entrain to the frequency of nature, and birds can start landing on you and that sort of thing. They didn’t with me, but I think it’s possible. And it’s just really great meditation. And then when you kind of journal about it afterwards and you just see what you noticed. And it started to bring around that concept of as, as without so within I’m so within that, as within so without, you know, basically what’s happening on the outside is what’s happening on the inside. So we started to get clear on that. So, that was great. He introduced me to a man named John Young who wrote about bird language and while I didn’t really go into that too much, I really was intrigued by the whole concept of like really deep listening and listening to bird sounds and I also as a way to navigate you know. They were you know… and be kind of like a tracker and like the birds gives signals and what’s happening so, kind of that idea of tracking the land was interesting. 

 

And then, you know, in my shamanic work, I met my shamanic teacher, Catherine Wood, who is trained by Sandra Ingerman. And Sandra Ingerman has a book out called Medicine for the Earth where… and then in the training program that Catherine offered, it was about connecting with the elementals like really having that dialogue. You know, the gnomes or the Celts or and then she had a Celtic lineage. And so you know, we got into the hidden folk and the fairy and that was really fun, and rock talk and connecting with rocks. And so you just start to really think…to notice all of this is alive… all around us is alive and you can… you’re not alone. 

 

And you can have these connections and it’s calming after the caregiving. You know, like I said, my adrenals were shot. I was… I mean the trauma was really intense. I went… I’d heard about this woman, Anna Deval who worked with Steven Porges, who’s a researcher around polyvagal theory. And she helped, my understanding is, she helped him apply the safe and sound protocol would help him help provide a therapeutic approach to the polyvagal theory through listening to music and so she would hook me up with like a little… I just hold hold this little device like through a belt that had Mozart playing, for example, but it was certain music that they arranged, and we would go on a walk all around and the idea was to activate the vagus nerve and ventral vagal so we’re in that state of social connection I come out of fight flight freeze, and just go into that state of what he calls social engagement where it feels safe to be around others.

 

And yeah, so we just started to have these walks, and I go off on my own and do my own therapy for a month every day. And I would start doing these walks all of a sudden, then that’s kind of where the land listening kind of those ideas Oh, and then she would have me actually come back into her office and watercolor just kind of like so again, we’re just kind of going with the right side of the brain just being in the state of flow and I would just do this watercolors, whatever came to me and then she had this structure for writing poetry. And I would write these poems and I’m like, who wrote that? It was just so wise and insightful and helpful. So that’s a lot of what I incorporate now into these land listening walks, that process.

 

TRACY:  Yeah, that’s really interesting. It sounds like essentially, you came up with the land listening kind of on your own. It was very inspired, but then you were able to kind of bring in these other elements from the other areas of training that you’ve had, and it just became like a really nice synergy, rather than somebody just teaching. Oh, this is how we do land listening or something like this. It’s more kind of this well rounded event that pulls from all the different things that you’ve learned over the years. Would that be right?

 

KELLY:  Yeah, I really love that about following your curiosity you know, when you start to come out of fight, flight, freeze, you know, and do the self care so you can be in that state of flow and that connection, it feels safe to follow your curiosity. And then you get into these experiences and this is so out of, like, doing so many of these things. These experiences are so 180 From where I was kind of how I grew up. You know, I’ve continued to have these parts of myself. They’ll be like, What are you doing? This is so weird. This is so where’s this gonna take you? Well, this is a waste of time. You’re not making any money from this. You’re not like… all those parts that you know were there really to protect me. And I appreciate what they did, you know, all through those first four decades of my life, but they really weren’t aren’t serving me for what I’m here to do now. So just having all of those experiences, just kind of going through I know this doesn’t make sense. Let me just see… I don’t know, and the land listen… the land listenings I just felt called to do it. And so I did it. Sometimes offering them was challenging, you know, depending on who showed up sometimes. And there might be different intentions there. But then I learned to gain my confidence in leading a group and managing different dynamics and speaking my voice and setting expectations and clarifying my needs and doing some energy work on myself before I lead a group and so it’s all really good learning.

 

TRACY:  Yeah, sounds like you get your own little transformation in addition to helping others have their transformation as you’re doing this work.

 

KELLY:  Yeah, I mean, I always said if no one shows up, I’m still gonna go. I mean, and there were so many times when the weather looked ominous, and then it was totally fine, you know? Maybe one or two people would come, and it worked out great. You know, just everything works out perfectly.

 

TRACY:  People listening may not live here in Boulder County, but this might be catching their interest. Wow, you know, it’d be really cool to do some land listening. Is there some advice you might give them like how they might go about doing it or why it might be important.

 

KELLY:  When I first started I thought, okay, am I really listening? Like, am I really listening to the land and or is it the ancestors of the land? I know, when my shamanic teacher Sandra Ingerman said that she was able to really connect with her… where she lives now, when she first moved there because she would do some journeys to the ancestors of the lands asking how can I connect more fully to this place? And then I would start to do that if I went on vacation somewhere. I would connect to those places through shamanic journeying. And so I think like, all what it comes down to is just the intention. And if this all sounds really new and overwhelming to say, you know, you’re gonna connect with your inner wisdom, you know, but we’re like you, what people ended up doing through the through Land listening is I take them through a set of exercises or experiences where they are listening us using their senses, primarily sight and sound. And then, so they are kind of listening to the land of the creatures and all of that, but you could set the intention of I want to, I want to receive a message from the ancestors of the land. I’ve gotten messages from the geese that were there, you know, so it can really turn into an animal communication scenario, too. So intention is really important. So start with that. And again, you can’t go wrong with just you know, “I want to connect to my higher self, my inner wisdom.” You know, I’m confused about this question or what my next step is, or, you know, really needing belief about this frustrating physical symptoms, any helpful kind message would be great. And then, so people can do that. 

 

You don’t have to do like a walk or a hike. You can just sit in nature, or you can even just imagine that you’re in nature, but because the brain doesn’t know any difference, you know, and you just kind of bring all of your senses into that experience of imagining, you know, the sounds, the beauty, the colors, and the how the wind might feel or the sun might feel so you can really get into it feeling embodied in that moment. I think that’s really important. You know, that just kind of started getting you out of that, like, it’s slowing down. 

 

You know, getting out of this, like when people come to the land listenings I’ll often ask them how they’re feeling. At that moment. How would they describe in one word, like their journey from where they just were to hear? And I learned that from John Young. I remember he did that in one session. And it’s really interesting, because they might be like, Oh, the traffic, you know, stressed, uneasy, anxious, you know? So then by the end, I asked them, how are they feeling and they might be connected, energized, you know, so I get the sense like, we’re shifting our nervous system out of a fight or flight through this listening. 

 

So we do that and then another component is really like, getting a sense of a sound of the song. So what for me, what comes through is like if I kind of come up with something right now let’s just 

 

[singing] 

 

He just kind of it just… whatever, whatever shows up. But I’ve noticed that that doesn’t come for everyone. It’s very uncomfortable, so you can just listen. Just listening is great. And listening to nature sounds rather than like the traffic if you hear a lot of traffic or something in the background. Okay, let me see if I can really hear the sound of the birds. Let me see if I can really hear the wind and the trees. 

 

And the reason why I bring in that component too, is I really love Steven Porges. His work and His Pocket Guide to Polyvagal Theory, because he talks about like, how can you activate that part of the vagus nerve which puts you in a state of connection and it’s through humming or singing. So I’ll give people options. You know, okay, you can, you can sing whatever comes through or you can hum it, or just go back to listening. But sometimes people have actually get a tune from like the 1960s, or the 1970s, or something that they haven’t heard in decades. And I think there’s something with that as well. I’ve gotten that in my Reiki sessions, and I’m like, Oh, that was my mom’s favorite song, you know. So once you’re kind of again, feeling more connected and in that state of flow, that’s where it makes it easier to receive the inspiration, the message, so it’s not coming from the ego like, oh, you need to be working and you need to be doing this. I’m just, it’s poetic and usually it’s very much like, encourage, encouraging… And what I could do is, I could create something and put a little link in for people to kind of follow a series of steps if they want to do it on their own, and how they can get there… Get that message.

 

TRACY:  Yeah, cool. We can definitely include that link in the show notes. As you were sharing it made me think back in 2015, 2016, I was still living in the Midwest at that time, but I knew I really wanted to move away from there despite the fact that I had lived in the Midwest for literally decades. I never felt that resonance with the land that I felt when I would visit out here in Colorado. Like my sister’s lived in Colorado for a long time. And we lived in western Colorado when I was a kid. And there was just there was something about the way my body felt and it’s kind of hard to necessarily describe it, but if I was going to describe it, I would just it would be there’s this feeling of “oh, I’m home.” Like “ah,” and so I did… I traveled around the Midwest and kind of the southwestern United States trying to figure out where I wanted to move. And that was one of the things I was really paying attention to is how my body felt being connected to the land there. And it kind of feels like the way you’re incorporating things. I mean, you’re bringing in the sight and the sound and there’s a lot of different ways that people might receive these messages. And I guess I just wanted to throw in there too, it might just literally be a sensation that you’re feeling in the body or maybe any of the senses that come through. 

 

You’ve talked a little bit about this already. But I wonder what are some of the main benefits that you’ve seen in yourself and in some of the people that have come to your land listening walks, what benefits have you seen?

 

KELLY:  People feeling safer in their body. You know, I know I used to be very much in my mind and you know, almost disassociated, just so coming you know, when I first started my mind body coaching, and even life coaching in general and then we would do body scans. I just, whoa, I don’t want to. I didn’t want to do that homework. It just felt too much. So I would say that this helps you to start feeling safe in your body and the body is in the present moment. And the body, yes, that’s where you’re going to feel so if you have any dense emotions that’s ready to rise, that can come through so you can start to feel safer in the discomfort of that. And as you’re in that state of flow. That’s how the intuition you know, that’s how we can feel safer to receive new insights that may be unfamiliar and like, go in this direction, even though everybody else is telling you to go this way. So I think that’s a key thing and it helped me… helping me feel safer in my body. 

 

And then just, you know, entraining too… either you go out in nature or you imagine yourself in nature, you’re entraining to that frequency of nature, which is your true self. So you feel that state of connection and so the more you’re feeling that state of connection, like Oh, this feels safe, I felt calm. I feel you know, more of who I am, I’m following beauty like then you’re and you’re starting to notice things and you can become more self aware. I just noticed like where… being so sensitive and empathic and picking up on others’ energy for me… I can notice more and then make decisions that are self loving. Like this feels more self loving for me to do this or take care of myself before I go into a space that doesn’t feel as safe.

 

TRACY:  Yeah, what stands out to me is that connection with something bigger and it’s very interesting that this all started for you during COVID When so many of us, we were so disconnected from each other and there was just this huge sense of disconnection. And you know, I do remember when I went on the most recent land listening event with you I was like, Oh, I I think earlier that day I just been kind of like spun out in my head and like I’ve just kind of like everything is going around, but somehow like connecting to nature, which you know, some people might think of it as God or source or you know, it doesn’t matter whether you believe in that or not, like nature itself is something just so much bigger than us and our little blah blah, blah brains. And you know, like you said that connection is part of what activates the vagal nerve and allows us to keep, well, connection with each other connection with nature allows the body to slow down and relax. So yeah, this is so important.

 

KELLY:  I yeah, I noticed that like, you know, in some cases, I had, like pretty good sized group come and I invite them, you know, I tell people and… learned to do this better too… is like I’m gonna extend a series of invitations and you can accept them or not, because this is a vulnerable process. And you know, everybody’s comfort level is going to be different. And then at the end, you know, they, I give them the choice, you know, bringing them to choice where they can share the whole poem. That they wrote. They could share the title or just the words that came through. But when people share the whole poem, I mean, it’s interesting to hear the themes that are so common. I don’t even when you came to, I think there was a theme of wandering. And kind of say you kind of notice okay, we’re not alone, like we’re all kind of going through this. A lot of what comes through it’s very touching and sweet. I can feel the shift, I can feel how the whole process got people to this feeling safe to connect with each other.

 

TRACY:  Yeah, I can relate to it feeling vulnerable, because I know, like my own upbringing, like sometimes when I’m feeling unsafe, my go-to is being disconnected. Somehow just feeling disconnected. feels way more safe, because a lot of times I didn’t receive the support that I felt like I needed when I was younger. And so it was just easier to disconnect. And so at least for me, it’s been kind of a relearning of my nervous system and the vagus, the polyvagal theory stuff has been really interesting for me to learn, you know, and see how I’m doing just the opposite of that sometimes. And like, Oh! No wonder things aren’t working out so well. And yeah, so that’s just really fascinating. The way you brought it all together like that. 

 

I wonder, now is it land listening something that you kind of do in your day to day life? Is this something that people could do day to day or any suggestions about that? 

 

KELLY:  Yes, it is in my day to day. I’ve been walking dogs recently, and sometimes you know, they take you by surprise. And how they interact with other dogs and different things too. So I can be in my head a little bit, even in those rocks. Or even if I’m walking with someone, you know, and you’re talking, which is great, but still having those times where I’m intentionally like okay, I’m gonna go through this process to really… it’s like sitting down to meditate. Observe and notice, in my day to day life, I do try to come back to that noticing even if I’m with someone or if I’m with the dog, or just yeah, just notice, come back to the breath. Come back to noticing, looking at beauty, or if I noticed that I’m really tired and sluggish and like not inspired to write and yet I’m feeling like pressure like I should be write.. I should be doing something you know for work and this and that. Like, okay, I just need to go out. So I will do that. I also will… if I’m if I don’t go out, I’ll write poems. And I’ll kind of follow this process of receiving inspiration to kind of get me into that state of flow. You know, if I’m feeling stuck, so one thing that I actually did is I drafted a book, a novel, I wrote a novel. And I did a poem for each… I kind of followed the hero’s journey, and I had some writing. I created my own little writing prompts for it. Which would help me do some free writing for that section or for each chapter. So I had a little bit of a framework and then I and then I wrote a poem for each chapter. And the poem kind of gave the essence of what that chapter was going to be about. So I would go back, so I do the writing and then I go back and read the poem. And like, oh, well, yeah, I forgot that point. And then I so I don’t know. So I wonder what’s going to happen with that… it’s probably going to take me another couple of years before I revisit that novel again. But, it was fun to do. That was again during the lockdowns.

 

TRACY:  Yeah. And you know, one thing it makes me think of is you know, the, the show has to do with interspecies communication and I really feel like bringing nature into that like you’re talking about the the gnomes, the land, spirits, you know, the animals and all that, really bringing it all together here. When I attended this symposium earlier this year, I realized I’ve really been focusing my communication just on animals and it made me think about oh, wow, you know, I could communicate with the land and, you know, like, the rocks here in Colorado are amazing, you know. And so one thing that I’ve started doing is usually on a daily basis, I just kind of say hello to my yard. Like, hey, what’s going on you guys out there. You guys need anything? You know, like, too much fertilizer, too much water, you know, anything else you guys need? It’s sort of like actually creating a relationship with the spirits, however, I guess however, you want to look at them. I think different traditions kind of look at them differently. But I think of them as this like the spirits of the lands or the plants that are there and even just saying hello, like, like you would text or call your friend like, Oh, hey, how’s your day going? Kind of thing, has been has been beneficial for me. I’m really starting to see those land spirits wanting to interact with me a little bit more. And it’s just kind of a cool way to develop a relationship and in a different way than I had really thought of before.

 

KELLY:  I love that. Yeah, I mean, years ago, I did have a meetup where I, so this was kind of a precursor to the land listening thing, was just doing this connection and we went to the Boulder Reservoir where there’s a little bit of a beach and put our bare feet in the sand. And we set the intention to connect with the sand and I remember the poem that came through was like, something to do with like, we honor you. Like You honor us by just putting your feet in the sand like being here, and we honor you. Like it’s this reciprocity that is given and it just, that message, how we feel like yeah, just my beingness, not all the doing that I get sucked into, like in the pressure just like my beingness there was appreciation.

 

TRACY:  Yeah, I think that reciprocity is such a key word when we’re talking about connecting with these other bigger parts. Really, really important. All right. Well, Kelly, we’ve talked about a lot of different things here today. Is there anything else that you feel called to share with us that we haven’t really talked about today?

 

KELLY:  Yeah, I guess maybe it’s just more reinforcement of you know, if you’re feeling exhausted, you’re feeling frustrated, physical symptoms. You’re feeling stuck or confused about a next decision. You know, our body can help us navigate to the next step. But if we don’t feel safe in our bodies, it’s hard to tune in and be like, Hey, I tend to go to the minor if not disassociate, and look to others to tell you what to do. You know, when I was just so tired, and I just would go out and take my phone with my camera, and just take like, you look for beauty, like oh, that’s a beautiful shot. Like I can’t… I’m so tired. I can barely walk. But I am going to just start taking some photos of beauty. It makes such a difference. And I’m gonna just notice sounds and just gonna follow my curiosity and I’m just gonna see what happens and before you know it, like you start to have more energy and you’ll start to feel more can beat from being in those states, you can start to make decisions about the environments and the relationships and the experiences that you really that are really going to serve you that really feel supportive and self loving.

 

TRACY:  Yeah, I remember too, like during COVID I did some of that same thing… where I was taking a lot of pictures of the things that were beautiful just… and trying to spread that to people because you know, it seemed like such a… the lockdowns were hard right? You can either focus on everything that’s going wrong or we can find ways to support ourselves so that we do feel safe so that we can find better ways to move forward. And I really appreciate you know what you’ve done for our county for you know, people around here and for chatting here with me today Kelly. I wonder if listeners wanted to learn more about you, get in touch, maybe attend a land listening walk, where would be the best place for them to go. 

 

KELLY:  You know, ironically, I’m not sure when I’m going to do another land listening walk in Boulder county. So I am totally open to people just reaching out to me. So I’m at Kelly C mullen.com. And you can sign up for my newsletter. I also have a Facebook group called the Empath Journey and can put the links maybe in the description to that. And you can I also do a free 30 minute consultation – if people have questions and I’m totally open to that like there’s no pressure to invest further. It’s a free complimentary call. See if just you know what’s something that you’re yearning for what might be holding you back but could be a next step. How can I help you tap into your own inner guidance system to take that next step so I’m totally open to that. So if people can just reach out I’m and I’m happy to share a little bit about how they could create their own land listing events there. Yeah.

 

TRACY:  Awesome. Well, Kelly, again, thank you so much for being here. We’ll definitely include all that information in the show notes so people can just click on over and connect with you if they wish. Again, thanks so much for being here. Kelly. It was such an amazing conversation and I look forward to connecting again. with you soon. Great. Thanks

for having me, Tracy.

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Holistic Veterinary Care with Boulder Holistic Vet Dr. Angie Krause

Holistic Veterinary Care with Boulder Holistic Vet Dr. Angie Krause

 

Holistic Veterinary Care

 

Our topic for this episode is:

Holistic Veterinary Care
 
 
Dr. Angie is a holistic veterinarian based in Boulder, Colorado. She is the owner of Boulder Holistic Vet and Natural Cat Vet. Her mission is to empower pet parents to become medical advocates for their pets. In her practice, she combines both traditional and alternative therapies to help her patients be as happy and healthy as possible.
 
Dr. Angie’s journey to become a veterinarian started over 35 years ago when her mother brought home a black kitten. Naturally, she named him Pinky. During Pinky’s first visit to the vet, she knew immediately veterinary medicine is where she was meant to be. In 2007, she graduated from Texas A&M University with a Doctorate of Veterinary Medicine. She then furthered her studies by traveling to China to study Traditional Chinese Veterinary Medicine and is certified as a Veterinary Acupuncturist and Canine Rehabilitation Therapist.
 
Serving animals and the people that love them is her great joy. Over the years, her patients have taught her that spending time with the people and creatures we love, eating good food, the healing powers of naps, and the necessity of daily play are truly what’s most important in life.
 
In this episode we talk about:
3:45 How Dr. Angie became interested in integrative medicine
4:58 Holistic vet care vs. traditional vet care
6:42 Why being a holistic vet is rewarding
7:27 Dr. Angie’s alternative modalities
13:37 Why Dr. Angie decided to become a home-visit vet
15:40 How holistic vet care and traditional vet care can compliment each other
17:50 Proactive health tips for pet caretakers
20:35 What to look for in a holistic vet
23:22 How covid has changed veterinary care
26:00 Consults with Dr. Angie, What to know
28:07 Educational resources for pet caretakers
29:15 Empowerment of pet caretakers to make medical decisions
 
 
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Chats with Animal Professionals and Interspecies Communicators is for animal and nature lovers, intuitives, spiritual seekers, and those interested in interspecies communication.
 
 
Our aim is to bring awareness these professions and to expose the new and old science behind some of these seemingly out-of-this-world careers. We hope to educate and tickle your mind about what is possible by discussing this work and ways we can work WITH our animal friends, nature friends and the planet as whole instead of them being a secondary consideration.
 
 

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TRACY:  Hello, and welcome to this episode of Chats with Animal Professional and Interspecies Communicators. Our guest today is Dr. Angie Krause and our topic is:

 

Holistic Veterinary Care

 

Dr. Angie is a holistic veterinarian based in Boulder, Colorado. She is the owner of Boulder Holistic Vet and Natural Cat Vet.  Her mission is to empower pet parents to become medical advocates for their pets. In her practice, she combines both traditional and alternative therapies to help her patients be as happy and healthy as possible.

 

Dr. Angie’s  journey to become a veterinarian started over 35 years ago when her mother brought home a black kitten. Naturally, she named him Pinky.  During Pinky’s first visit to the vet, she knew immediately veterinary medicine  is where she was meant to be. 

 

In 2007, she graduated from Texas A&M University with a Doctorate of Veterinary Medicine. She then furthered her studies by traveling to China to study Traditional Chinese Veterinary Medicine and is certified as a Veterinary Acupuncturist and Canine Rehabilitation Therapist. Serving animals and the people that love them is her great joy. 

 

Over the years, her patients have taught her that spending time with the people and creatures we love, eating good food, the healing powers of naps, and the necessity of daily play are truly what’s most important in life.

 

Dr. Angie, welcome to the show.

DR. ANGIE:  Thank you so much. It’s so good to be here and I am joined by my two kittens. That will be causing all kinds of commotion. They will probably be on camera.

 

TRACY:  So excellent. I love it when our animal friends decide to join us in the session so that’s great. Oh! There’s a tail right now. Excellent, excellent. Well, we talked a little bit about your background and your bio, but I wonder, is there anything else that you would like listeners to know about you and how you came to do this work that you’re doing? 

 

DR. ANGIE:   Yes, I got to integrative medicine and loving holistic medicine because I had my own health struggles and I think most people that seek integrative care for their pets have used it and found success for themselves. When I was 18, I got diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome after having mono. And I was told that I would be tired for the rest of my life, and so I had to seek other modalities to heal myself and I’m happy to say that I was not tired for the rest of my life so far. And I think that’s important because people often feel like Western medicine has either just fallen short or our medical system has failed them. And so I think that’s a really important piece.

 

TRACY:  I can definitely relate to that. I had my own health struggles and worked with alternative medicine and that’s kind of what led me to bring my pets in on that as well. So I think that’s a really important point that you make there. Now you refer to yourself as a holistic vet. So could you talk to us a little bit about how holistic vet care differs from traditional vet care?

DR ANGIE:  Yes, traditional vet care is usually… just encompasses what we learned in school. And there’s a huge focus on evidence based medicine, which I think is really good. And I use traditional. I’m a traditionally trained vet and I use that. But I do expand beyond that. We do have all these other modalities that maybe don’t have the big peer reviewed double blind studies. And so we have a lower level of evidence to support it. But for most of these therapies, we also have a very low risk associated with them. And so I think about holistic medicine to encompass both of those, but I also think about the pets lifestyle, the person that’s taking care of that pet, their lifestyle, I really think about the whole picture. So I’m using the whole scope of medicine that I can use safely. And then I’m also thinking about everyone’s mental health in the house. Everyone’s physical, emotional and spiritual health in the House working as as a team

 

TRACY:  Yeah, that’s amazing. It’s… it seems like there’s… with that whole like holistic outlook on things there’s just seems like more possibilities for healing for everyone instead of just focusing simply on the animal. It brings a lot more forward, I think.

DR. ANGIE: Yes, I agree.

 

TRACY:  So as in your experience, what’s been the most rewarding part about being a holistic veterinarian?

 

DR. ANGIE:  You know, I think it just got better results. When I started integrating alternative therapies, as I’ve learned them over the years and practiced them, I think that my patients just tend to do better. And I think that the people that hire me feel more understood and more empowered. And that’s the most exciting piece.

 

TRACY:  Yeah, I can see how that would be the case and the result that would happen looking at this in this more fully holistic way. 

 

DR. ANGIE:  Yes.

 

TRACY:  So you have some different alternative modalities that you offer through your practice. Was there something special about the particular modalities that you offer that drew you to study them?

 

DR. ANGIE:  Well, when I first got out of school, I was doing physical medicine and rehabilitation and I thought well everyone that’s doing this is doing some kind of acupuncture. And I didn’t really intend on really caring about Chinese medicine. I just felt like that was the next step. You know, if you go to a physical therapist, they’re going to dry needle you, and so I thought that’s kind of what I was learning, but I ended up learning Chinese medicine and I always really loved it, because it created this… It created another dimension to all of the Western medicine I had already learned. And it filled in gaps that Western medicine couldn’t quite get to… and putting them together. Just felt so good. So it’s like when I see a patient, I always have on one side, all my traditional diagnoses. And then on the other side, I have them all in Chinese medicine terms, and I’m able to get to root causes more or fill in the gaps and help symptomology a lot more than I could with just Western medicine alone or Chinese medicine or medicine alone. It’s kind of like when I get a tool that works I don’t want to give up anything for the sake of dogma. You know, some people are like, Oh, I never want to use steroids or you know, you can villainize any treatment, but sometimes it’s really the right thing in the right moment and sometimes using that Chinese herb is the right thing in the right moment. And so I really fell in love with Chinese medicine, for its completeness and filling in the gaps energetically. It was this perfect thing to combine the energetics or the Chi. That’s really what Western medicine is considering as blood flow. So when I’m feeling a dog’s pulses, even though I’m not doing it here, I am feeling the chi or where blood flow is going. And so it’s this really lovely way to kind of figure out like, Oh, we’re actually all talking about the same thing.

 

TRACY:  So to kind of clarify, you went to study acupuncture, and it was sort of like the traditional Chinese medicine was wrapped up into that. Is that right? 

 

DR. ANGIE:  Yes.

 

TRACY:  So when you were talking about traditional Chinese medicine, that’s where the herbal part right, so there’s the acupuncture and the herbs in combination with the Western medicine stuff as well, right? 

 

DR. ANGIE:  Yes. 

 

TRACY:  Okay, awesome. Just wanted to clarify and make sure I understood. So are there other modalities besides the acupuncture and the traditional Chinese medicine and the Western medicine that you use in your own practice and how do you decide which modality to use with different animals? 

 

DR. ANGIE:  Yes, so I do, I use a lot of nutrition, and I do use supplements. I use a lot of Western herbs too. I’ve never really gotten into homeopathy because it’s just a whole other, a whole other discipline that I just felt like I didn’t have time for. That’s nothing that I have really become proficient in. But I think with practice, and often the animals will kind of present to you what they’re open to. And I… that sounds from a veterinarian, kind of woowoo. But if you think about a dog that is, you know, maybe more fearful, there are certain therapies that he’s going to be open to and maybe not, and there are certain things that people that take care of these pets are open to a not. So and then there’s lifestyle. Some cats are never going to take a supplement every day. You know, so sometimes logistics help you figure it out. Sometimes I use experience like Oh, yeah, that never works, like this is, you know, this works instead. And sometimes it is just trial and error. Where I think okay, I’m gonna try this for these reasons, and then I kind of moved down the line.

 

TRACY:  So it sounds like in some cases, at least with the trial and error stuff, you might be using a bit of your own intuition? Like okay, it feels like this particular modality might… or this method might fit well with this pet and do you have a list that you kind of go down or is it partially intuition? You’re working with as well?

 

DR. ANGIE:  I think so. I think it is intuition and then the repetition of just seeing so many cases and knowing like, yeah, every time I prescribe this treatment, like no one can actually do this. Like a good example is something that needs to be given three times a day. It’s just probably rarely going to happen. You know, and so if the success of the treatment is that it’s going to be given three times a day, and maybe not. Although if someone’s home all the time, and you know, I have people that come to me with spreadsheets, like they would do something six times a day. But you know, for the working parent with three children who’s trying to treat their dog, then they’re probably not going to be able to do that. And that’s kind of a very, like, crude example. And I think that there are other ways in which I use my intuition where you think Okay, so with Chinese medicine I think this herb is probably not going to work, even though the textbook might say it would.

 

TRACY:  Okay yeah that makes sense to me. My understanding is that you’re primarily a home visit vet, is that right?

 

DR. ANGIE:  I am, yes. 

 

TRACY:  Okay. So what led you to decide to do home visit care instead of having an office where your animals come in and visit you there?

 

DR. ANGIE:  Well, after I had children after my first child, I just couldn’t figure out how to operate in a clinic all day long. The clinic hours are so long and you’re trying to cram so much and you know, back to back appointments and surgeries, and it just didn’t feel conducive. I’m so tired at the end of the day, and I just thought I’m not going to be able to pull this off. So I kind of accidentally had a house call practice with acupuncture as I would leave one clinic or move, people would follow me, they wanted me to do acupuncture. So I already had that going, where I was going to people’s homes and so I just transitioned into making house calls and it works out much better for me because I’m an introvert, even though I’m outgoing. I like to spend more time than 15 minutes in an exam room. And so this way, it’s so much more fulfilling because I get to be in someone’s living room. And I’m gathering so much more information about the layout of the house, the energetics of the house, how the different animals are interacting. Can they jump up on the couch? Do they seem safe? Are they guarding the door? Like all these things that I wouldn’t get in an exam room and I’ve really grown to love that..that aspect.

 

TRACY:  So do you exclusively do house calls? Or do you still have a clinic? 

 

DR. ANGIE:  I don’t. Yeah. 

 

TRACY:  All right. So you’ve talked a little bit about this already, but I wonder if you might want to expand a bit more about how holistic vet care and traditional vetcare can really complement each other. 

 

DR. ANGIE:  Oh, yes, I think they absolutely go together at different times. And I think for most cases that I treat, I’m using both. There are some cases, like for example, hyperthyroidism, and cats. That’s a slam dunk for Western medicine. Like we figured out how to just cure it. And so in that case, I’m like, let’s not do anything else. Let’s just do the thing that works really well. But if something else like Cushing’s disease in dogs, I actually have better luck with diet and Chinese herbs than anything else. And so I’ll tell people like, yeah, we can do these western treatments, but for the most part, they don’t, they don’t seem to be as effective as what, what I can do. And then we have other areas like I would say, autoimmune disease is a perfect example where you put the two together. We have to save our pets, we have to save their lives with these immunosuppressive drugs like steroids. But then we can come in with Chinese medicine. And hopefully either get them off or stabilize them or get to the root cause.

 

TRACY:  I guess I’ve seen in my own animals, too, how working with both actually… it was very complimentary. And yeah, I think at the end of.. end of the life, end of the lives of our most recent cats that we were really doing the holistic and the traditional together and just had really great results. So I know that was one of the reasons I really was interested to talk with you is because I’ve seen this for myself, how, how well it can work.

 

DR. ANGIE:  Yes, absolutely. I would not give up… I know some holistic veterinarians say I’m not going to do any Western medicine, but I wouldn’t. I wouldn’t give it up. I wouldn’t give up anything that works.

 

TRACY:  Now, I know there’s a lot of people out there who are maybe wondering, How can I be proactive about my pets how help beyond just you know, taking them for their yearly checkup, or, you know, getting their vaccinations or whatever, what what do you feel like would be your advice to pet caretakers about how they can be proactive in their animals health?

 

DR. ANGIE:  Yeah, I think taking care of their mouth. Taking care of their teeth or dental health has such a big impact. And I think that is something that’s often overlooked. And one thing you can do at home, of course, we all want to be brushing our animals teeth every day. And I can tell you right now, I don’t brush my cat’s teeth every day. Just because of the sheer volume of things. I’m a single mom with two children and in practice, but what I can do is I can look in their mouth. And I will frequently do that. And so just looking at your pet’s mouth can be really life changing. Just do it once a week to see what’s normal and the minute something seems off, you can take them to the vet. Dental disease is really common and it’s a huge source of inflammation that it kind of seeds into the bloodstream. And I know you know if you’re holistically minded the thought of taking your cat or dog in and having them put under anesthesia, to have a cleaning feels really invasive. But it is actually one of the best things that you can do, because it’s going to decrease that inflammatory burden by a longshot. And so I would say that’s number one. Number two is just feed them the best food that they’ll eat that you can afford, and it works with everyone’s lifestyle. And so that I would say is such a great investment to decrease the likelihood of chronic disease in the future.

 

TRACY:  Yeah, and I remember, I did one of your classes with you about the nutrition, and I think that one I did was specifically geared towards cats, but I remember how important you were talking about the nutrition aspect is where you know, sometimes it’s just easy to give them a scoop of kibble you know, twice a day but there’s so much more to it than that especially it seems like cats in particular. We’re learning a lot more about cats and their nutrition recently.

 

DR. ANGIE:  Absolutely. Yes, we are. Yeah and there is definitely a huge shift coming.

 

TRACY:  So I wonder if you might have any advice for pet parents out there who you know, they might be looking for a holistic vet or a particular holistic modality. Do you have any advice for how they might find the right person or veterinarian for them?

 

DR. ANGIE:  Yes, I think it’s really important that your veterinarian hear you. I think that the state of Veterinary Medicine has become a little bit dismissive or sometimes a lot dismissive. And I think it’s becoming worse because now there’s not just not enough veterinarians and so veterinarians are so busy that not only was it a little bit of the culture in the first place, but now it’s I feel like it’s even worse. And so number one, just finding a veterinarian you can talk to and that you can tell them what you found on Google. I think the whole idea that healthcare professionals have shamed people for googling their health problems or their pet’s health problems, I think is absolutely crazy. I think that we all should be able to investigate, and without shame, and be able to take this information to someone that has maybe a higher level of knowledge or experience and say okay, tell me why I should be doing this. I do this with my own healthcare practitioners. I will literally text my doctor tiktoks to say is this true? Like you know, should I be looking at this? And so I think number one, find a veterinarian that will watch the TicToks or that will listen to your fears about that vaccine or listen to the things that you’ve read, without dismissing and without telling you “Oh, don’t Google just listen to me.” I think that’s such a red flag. No, of course you should google and then you should be able to discuss those ideas really freely. And then I would find someone that wants to find a solution that works for you and your pet, like really thinking about the whole thing. Like if someone came to me and said, Okay, you can’t you know, I do feed my cats filtered water. But sometimes, veterinarians will come with these really outlandish kind of recommendations that are super isolating. And so find a veterinarian that will understand your lifestyle, that understands that you probably can’t feed your cat 10 times a day or you know that is going to understand and that’s going to meet you where you are and not not shame you. So I’d say those would be them. The most important things for any veterinarian, but especially your holistic vet.

 

TRACY:  Yeah, that’s great advice. What that makes me think of is, you know, with COVID There were so many changes that happened with the medical system, how we had telehealth and things like that. Now, is that something that also affected veterinarians as well? Like? Do you have to have a hands on diagnosis or how does that work?

DR. ANGIE:  Yes, so for a while during COVID, the state of Colorado lifted that for us and I was able to prescribe to pets I hadn’t seen before, had a doctor patient relationship. And now they’ve of course, they’ve lifted that, but telemedicine is creeping in whether any of the regulating bodies wanted there or not. It’s creeping in. And we’re, I think, as a profession trying to navigate it and use it and we’re going to have to because there’s just not enough veterinarians, and so more people need to be able to send a picture of their dog’s eye and say, do you need to see me today based off of that information? I think that’s going to become really important. I do a lot of telemedicine now, and I’ve also started consulting people that are not even in my state. I’m not their veterinarian and I can’t prescribe to them. But what I’m doing is helping people get organized. So they’ll say, Okay, I saw this doctor and this doctor and then I have these things and what do I do with all of this? And sometimes people just need to get organized and to have a medical advocate. And so…it’s kind of like coaching like oh, I would probably go see this internist and have them do this or it’s time for an ultrasound. And maybe their veterinarian already said that but veterinary clinics are just so stretched to capacity that sometimes I think people are needing just more, one on one care, more hands on care to help them through some of these really complicated diagnoses.

 

TRACY:  That’s interesting. I wasn’t aware that there was such a shortage of veterinarians. So it’ll be interesting to see how that kind of evolves and changes over time. It seems like COVID really did a lot of changing to the medical systems, kind of overall during that time, and it seems like here in 2023 we’re still kind of feeling the effects of all that and other things that can still shift and change. So I understand that you do phone or Zoom consults in addition to the home services, like you were talking about before. So you can’t.. you cannot, at this moment, cannot prescribe anything like Western medication wise, without a hands on visit. That’s right? 

 

DR. ANGIE:  Right. Correct. 

 

TRACY:  But you can do the consult… helping people get organized or perhaps doing the traditional Chinese medicine or do you have to do he have hands on for that too?

 

DR. ANGIE:  There are a few moments where you can probably be pretty sure about the formula, or I could, and so sometimes that could happen. But a lot of that I still would need, to do a good job, I would need a hands on diagnosis, but that might be a time where I would say, Okay, let me help you find a practitioner in your area that can do the tongue and the pulse diagnosis and kind of get them settled or point them in the right direction.

 

TRACY:  Yeah, I think too…. like that can be complex, depending on where people live because they may not have access to holistic modalities. So just being able to point them in the right direction could obviously be so helpful. If listeners were interested to do a holistic health consult with you, what would they need to know beforehand?

 

DR. ANGIE:  They would just need to know that I can’t be their veterinarian, but I can review all their records, and I could help coach them on some next steps or some considerations or even some tips about medication administration. Or things that they could be doing at home and point them in the right direction just as long as they have a good working relationship with their veterinarian, and I suppose even if they don’t, as long as there’s not, you know, the need for prescriptions, I can’t do that or dosages or that sort of thing.

 

TRACY:  Okay, that’s really good to know. So I think that the first way I met you was I saw… I was on your email list and saw that you were offering some online classes and I think I’ve taken three or four of those and it was really awesome. I wonder if you’re planning to offer any more of those classes in the future? or can people buy the recordings of past classes that you’ve done or what are your plans for the future there? 

 

DR. ANGIE:  Both. So we will be offering more now that summer’s over. We’re about ready to fire those back up, but you can buy the recordings, they’re on our online shop. And so you can find those and you can always email us if you’re looking for something specific.

 

TRACY:  Yeah, I seem to remember you out like a questionnaire out to us like hey, what do you guys want to learn about, so if there’s something that people want to learn about that you haven’t already offered a class about, maybe just shoot you an email and be like, hey, it’d be really cool if there was a class about this.

 

DR. ANGIE:  We love hearing from people about what they’re needing and wanting Absolutely.

 

TRACY:  Great. Great. Well, thanks so much Dr. Angie, for being here with me today, is there anything else that we haven’t already touched on that you feel like you want to add to the conversation?

 

DR. ANGIE:  I just want people to feel empowered to get the information that they need to make medical decisions for their pets. And so I want people to pay attention to how they’re feeling and I want them to reach out for help whether you know, if they’re feeling scared, I want them to be able to link up with a practitioner that can walk them through whatever their concerns are, and if they are feeling overwhelmed, finding someone that can help them get organized and I think that is my wish for everyone and I want everyone to know that they deserve that. Even if the veterinary profession isn’t always supportive of that feeling.

 

TRACY:  Right. That’s a really wonderful note to kind of leave things on. I really appreciate all the work that you’re doing. Dr. Angie, I wonder if our listeners wanted to learn more about you and your work, maybe get in touch what would be the best place for them to go for that? 

 

DR. ANGIE:  You can go to my website boulderholisticvet.com We’re also on Facebook and Instagram and Tiktok and so they can come hang out with us there. They can send us an email. My email address is Angie@boulderholisticvet.com It’s also on the website, but we’d love for you to be in touch. We answer all the emails, some take.. sometimes it takes a couple days for us to get back to you but we will answer you and we’d love to hear from you.

 

TRACY:  Awesome well, thanks again, Dr. Angie for being here today. It was so wonderful to connect with you. 

 

DR. ANGIE:  Yeah. Thanks for having me. It was really fun.

 

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Training dogs is not just a job for Heather, it’s her passion. Heather began by training horses and then started to be interested in training dogs. She was so fascinated by how dogs learn and wanted to learn more. So, she enrolled in CATCH Canine Trainers Academy to learn all she could.
 
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TRACY:  Hello and welcome to this episode of chats with animal professionals and interspecies communicators. Our guest today is Heather Mayo and our topic is How can animal communication benefit dog training? 

 

Training dogs is not just a job for Heather, it’s her passion. Heather began by training horses and then started to be interested in training dogs. She was so fascinated by how dogs learn and wanted to learn more. So she enrolled in catch canine trainers Academy to learn all she could have completed her training and got her CCD T certified dog trainer. She then started her own company based in southeastern Wisconsin called Heather Mayo dog training. She specializes in in-home dog training customized to you and your dog’s needs. Heather, welcome to the show today.

 

HEATHER: Hi, Tracy. Thanks for having me.

 

TRACY:  Yeah, well, to kick things off, we I mean, we talked a little bit about this in your bio, but could you go a little bit deeper into how you came to do this work that you’re doing?

 

HEATHER:  Sure. I always had a passion for training since I was a kid. My whole family’s into, you know, training with school, or you know, things like that and nature. So I always had this kind of thing that I always love to train and help people and it’s not just like a job for me, it’s a passion. I really enjoy it and I really like to tell people how to help their dogs and not you know, get frustrated and just say oh my dogs just being my dog and actually enjoy their lives. So I tend to specialize more in balanced kind of style dog training that is specifically for the needs of whatever people want. So they want more positive, I do more toward positive negative, I do more training toward negative.

 

TRACY:  Okay, yeah, I guess I hadn’t quite heard it referred to like that before you. When you say positive versus negative, you mean more like positive reinforcement versus more of the I guess I want to call it dominant, dominating kind of dog training?

 

HEATHER:  Yeah, or correction, you know, on the negative side. That style is considered a balanced dog trainer method. So it’s what’s tailored specifically for you and your dog. We tend to get so caught up in, you know, emotions, and we just kind of have to look at it and say, Okay, what is the dog really trying to tell us, not what you’re thinking is what the dog’s saying. Okay, I said I tailored toward that instead of just, you know, basic, sit, down, come, it’s more on the behavioral side. And the emotion is for the fear, anger, frustration, all that wonderful stuff that we take for granted sometimes.

 

TRACY:  Yeah, yeah. And I don’t know if you know this about me, but I’ve lived with a lot of dogs but I’ve never actually trained one myself. So a lot of this is..I mean, I know a little bit about dog training, but a lot of this is new to me as well. So it’s very interesting to me to hear you know about the different styles and methods and things.

 

HEATHER:  And that’s where people kind of started out with too, like you were saying is that they’re like, oh, you know, we go went to puppy class, but yet I’m still having this behavior problem. And then I really get deep dive deep into the emotion side of it. And that’s where communication is very important, because sometimes we think they’re mad at us. But really, you’re kind of rewarding that bad behavior because you’re giving attention. Any attention, good or bad is still attention. And they’re gonna keep doing what they’re doing until you kind of sit back and say, Wait, what am I doing? So it’s not always the dogs. And that’s where I think a lot of people go to is, you know, he’s out to get me or he hates me or you know, all those things, but…

 

TRACY:  Or he’s just a jerk, or whatever. Yeah, yeah, I’ve definitely heard some of that for sure. Now, I understand that you started out training horses and then moved into training dogs. Was there anything that influenced that change over?

 

HEATHER:  Horses are, they’re unique, you know, kind of field and it wasn’t as fulfilling as I wanted to be. So that’s how I kind of wanted to go to the dogs because I just, you know, was one of those people that just, you know, kept hearing all these things about, you know, some issues with their dog and I’m like, oh, there’s got to be a solution and you see them you know, you’re very popular Cesar Milan shows, you know, TV shows that we love to watch and kind of sit back and say, wow, you know, this is really, you know, this, this can prove my dog doesn’t have to be this like a jerk like some people say. So, when you sit back and you start kind of looking at more on the behavior side of how they’re looking so sometimes you know, their tail off and wagging could mean you know, excitement or you know, fear, startling. And that’s where the psychology part comes in. Or if their eyes or their mouths open. Are they smiling, happy? Are they stressed? So in that sense, we’re, I’m looking at their body language, and telling them you know, what are the dogs truly saying instead of so much impressions?

 

TRACY:  Yeah, it sounds like you’re bringing a lot of the different things all together with the psychology plus the behavior plus, you know, the the animal communication that you do know how to do and that the switch from the horses had a lot more to do with just personal preference. More than anything.

 

HEATHER:  Yeah, I just really wanted to make a difference in people’s lives. And I thought this really was unique and wanted to specialize in more the behavioral side and the behavioral consultation instead of just the you know, regular dog trainer that just teaches you know, the common sit, down, come. I really wanted to get… dive deep into their personality in the home environment. And that’s I thought it’s so important to do in-home. And the people dynamic of the whole family, you know, even with the kids and husbands or wives or spouses or whoever is in the family to all be understanding. One group.

 

TRACY:  Yeah, so it sounds like a very holistic approach of looking at the whole picture instead of just “Sit. Stay.”

 

HEATHER:  People always come to me and say, Well, my dog knows sit, down, come, but he’s still having this problem by jumping up on me.

 

TRACY:  Yeah. Well, you mentioned this a little bit earlier. But you know, there are a lot of different styles of dog training. Could you tell us a little bit more about the type that you tend to teach people and why you decided to get into that kind of dog trading specifically?

 

HEATHER:  For sure. So it’s the balance method of dog training. It involves both using positive and negative because I think there’s beneficial things for positive and I also understand there’s benefits for the negative side, you know, the correction or you’re putting things in a technique that is not as you know, here “sit” and then here’s a treat. You would say “sit” and then do a leash correction. And that would be more on the negative side. When you’re saying “sit” so there’s consequences. So I like to make and say to the people, whatever you’re comfortable with (or clients) what are you comfortable with? And then kind of look at the dog and say, Okay, what’s he reacting to? Are we kind of treating a bad behavior or slower on the treat taking? Or is it more of we’re doing too many treats and now he’s like, oh, I’ll just do whatever cuz I get treats. Where correction… So I say sit and I correct them on the leash. And he then says, Oh, wait, there’s consequences if I don’t listen. I don’t just get treats. They get to…. So you can’t really mix and match in a way that I tend to say to people, you know, do one way or the other with this specific, you know, command so you’re doing sit and you’re doing a treat and it’s not working. Okay, let’s try the negative side. And work on that. And so sometimes people just get stuck on that positive training. And that’s, you know, it, you know, and that’s where I’m at. We never advance and work on the training stages.

 

TRACY:  So do I understand correctly, so with each one of the different commands you pick either the positive reinforcement or the correction part. Like with “sit”, you might do the correction, but then with “lie down” you might do something different.

 

HEATHER:  So you might do a luring, you know, with the treat at the beginning instead of such a harsh, you know, just physically shoving them down to the ground, you know, maybe side you know, I like to try to do positive first, of course, because I think that’s, you know, I feel like the dog should be able to, you know, follow though a treat that sometimes treats or doesn’t work. So now would you do, and then, but then sometimes people go to the extreme like using prong or chain, but then that can have, you know, results that can cause more aggression or fear, because you’re using such a harsh technique. So that’s why I don’t like when people say, Oh, I went to a negative trainer, and that’s all we learn. And then someone goes to a positive trainer, and that’s all they learn, and then they won’t do anything, you know, and that’s why I like to do that balance.

 

TRACY:  Yeah, that’s really interesting. I guess I didn’t, I wasn’t aware of how those two could really work together in that way. The way I grew up, we always had dogs and my parents definitely did that correction method, the alpha dominant kind of thing. There was even one dog that my parents got like one of the electric shock collars and just you know, kind of it felt weird to me. That piece of it, but yeah, I guess as I’ve gotten older and learned more about different methods, it’s just really interesting to hear how the two the two methods can kind of work together like you said to create a balance that’s actually helpful for the dog.

 

HEATHER:  Yeah, and kind of going into that I like to also be like, I’m training you to train your dog. So it’s not just me doing the work, it’s you applying it everyday life to and that’s where, you know, people tend to say, oh, you know, I’m here for an hour and I’m thinking I’m gonna cure your dog have this problem where it’s kind of lies with you in a way and to having a well balanced dog. I always say there’s four major groups in dog training that I feel that is are important is leadership. You know, they look to us for guidance. Socialization, you know, sometimes we tend to be petting, the unwanted behavior, so we’re kind of rewarding that behavior, and then they get stuck, or we keep correcting No, no, no, no, no, but we never show up, but they shouldn’t be doing as well. So that’s, you know, and then exercising and training so much. I feel like you know, we don’t take him for a walk because we’re scared, you know that, okay. So he’s gonna jump on someone they come up to or they’re reactive to another dog. And it’s like, well, then we kind of look back and say, okay, leadership, what are what are you saying, you know, or they’re, you know, interacting this guidance to us like you know, what I always tell people is, if the dogs are not, you know, have any guidance or any corrections, how are they going to understand you and training you don’t even have that kind of basic so it’s getting there to follow you. Has leadership saying, Hey, I’m in control. And then if dogs are out of control, it’s like, okay, yeah. What are we looking at? And then of course, you know, training I say daily, you know, it doesn’t have to be an hour in or you know, all day long. Just, you know, randomly, do a “sit”, you know, feeding them giving them food in the morning. As an added “sit”, you know, makes a big difference. And then a job. Of course all dogs want to make you happy. They’re part of your life. You sleep with them, you love them and you cry with them. You do everything and my always… my always attitude is, is that I love to tell the people that I want to expect manners first and then love them for a job well in my mind. But those are the major groups that I’m just like, oh my goodness, if something is awry, I look at both groups and I say okay, what’s kind of is the issue here?

 

TRACY:  So as I understand the four groups are leadership, socialization, exercise and training and then job, right? 

 

HEATHER:  Yep. 

 

TRACY:  Okay, cool. Yeah, that’s a really interesting way of hearing it. And I also think what you said about it’s not just training the dog, it’s also training the human. I think a lot of people don’t think about that. It’s like oh, no, it’s just about training the dog. The dog should do what I say. And I find the leadership piece really interesting. There’s another animal communicator. I listened to an interview with her a few months ago, and one of the things she… she has a lot of dogs. And one of the things that she talks about a lot is how one of the themes that she sees with dogs as far as the lessons they’re trying to teach their humans is about leadership and about the humans like really coming into their full self and being the leader of the pack. So that’s just kind of reinforcing what you say there.

HEATHER:  Oh, yeah, definitely. And just knowing that sometimes it’s their emotions, just like we have emotions. But sometimes we put our emotions onto the dog and then all sudden, it becomes… it manifests as something else. So the behavior usually manifests into behavior. So if we are like, sometimes I walk into a household and I’m like, Whoa, I’m even stepping back like, wow, this energy in this household is, you know, picky, picky, picky, and then the dogs just like, What am I supposed to do? And they’re looking around like, help me you know, and that’s where the communication comes in. Where then, okay, let’s all come together. And that’s the whole goal of mine is to, you know, tell them what the dog is trying to say. And that’s where I feel like sometimes they don’t just, you know, they kind of keep they they assume because he’s jumping. He’s naughty. Or I’m like, no, he’s jumping because he wants to love you or he’s licking you because he wants to, you know, say, hey, I want your attention at this time. And then we feed into that and kind of give him we’re kind of rewarding it and then also we don’t like it. And then we wonder why. So, that’s a big thing with a job. You know, dogs think, oh, you know, do this job for you. Like by licking you or jumping up on you when you come home. Instead of then redirecting their attention to something else as a job and that’s my goal.

 

TRACY:  Yeah that’s something that comes up in animal communication too a lot about either being clear about what their job is because you know, sometimes dogs think this is their, their job because they received reinforcement on it somehow or been rewarded in some way. So it’s like the human as part of it doesn’t even realize that they’ve sort of asked their dog to be doing this, this quote unquote, job that they consider to be bad behaviors or something. 

 

HEATHER:  So like playing tug of war with you on the leash you know, and we’re trying to go potty.

 

TRACY:  We’re having fun!!

 

HEATHER:  …and you’re at wit’s end and you’re frustrated and you’re just like, why is he not listening to me? I want him to potty

 

TRACY:  Right? Now I imagine this kind of varies from dog to dog, but is there kind of an average time or number of sessions that it usually takes for a dog to really get the new training? 

 

HEATHER:  It all depends. I mean, sometimes it’s just literally just like, like I said, stepping back realizing, hey, what am I doing wrong? You know, so many times, it’s not the dog that I have to correct as you know, dog training, you know. It’s more of just saying, okay, you know, say, I don’t want him to jump up on me. So when I come in every day, I’m gonna throw some treats on the ground and give him his attention on the floor instead of up on me and loving me. So it may take you know, I always say it takes longer to break down bad habits we all know that. And then we got to train on to a new job or a new new technique instead of jumping up to now looking at the ground, so I tend to say you know, it can take as long as we follow through and new training is a big thing. It all depends. So sometimes little things like jumping up can take, you know, maybe a week or two. There’s no set time. It’s just whatever we take the time to train.

TRACY:  So I’m not I’m not sure how extensive Your training is in animal communication, but it’s my understanding that you do use some animal communication when you’re doing this dog training work. So how has learning animal communication changed how you how you work with the dogs?

 

HEATHER:  Sometimes I tend to get some, for me, I have a feeling almost like I’m doing something that the dog really wants. So that in that sense is more me personally as a trainer is that all of a sudden I’m like… I get this kind of shiver down my spine. So insane. Yes, that’s the technique that’s gonna work for this dog. So in that sense for me, in my communication ways and how I kind of process it is that I’m looking at a situation reading of course, body language of the dog. That’s what school teaches us. The eyes and ears, you know, the mouth, the tail, even the body? Is it stiff or relaxed? And so I’m looking at all those of course body languages that dogs have given me. And then I just take my communication kind of to the next level and say okay, what is that dog kind of telling me is this the right technique? And I kind of get the spinal kind of tingling and I’m like, oh, yeah, that’s That’s it. And it just clicks very, very fast. What the dogs doing is not doing any…..

 

TRACY:  Yeah, so it sounds to me like you’re using more traditional, I guess you could call it animal behavior, body language messages, but you’re also using your intuition quite a lot and it sounds like you receive the messages kind of… I think we would call it Clairsentient – like the way it feels in your body. To kind of confirm those things. Would that be an accurate way of describing? 

 

HEATHER:  Yes, that’s Yeah. Yeah. And then it just takes that my training next level because now I’m getting results. Very quickly, when people can say, Oh, thank you, you know.

 

TRACY:  So, when you’re working with clients, are you teaching them some of these animal behavioral cues like for that, to pay attention to and notice and things like that?  

 

HEATHER:  So even with that, yes, you brought up awesome, you know, a question there… is that when they, they yawn is a big one. So sometimes I say a yawn can be just tired, can be stressed, or it actually can be learning too as well. So when I’m training, all sudden, these dogs are yawning quite a bit. And I always look at that more as energy being released. So it’s saying hey, bad training or bad, you know, things I used to do and now I’m actually understanding what I want. And I also look at shakes too. You know, shakes can be Oh, I’m cold or … you know, I get a little shaky or, Oh, I got an inch and I shake or I’m wet and I shaked, you know, those kinds of things. But also, with training I see quite a bit where they’re just you know, they’ll also know tell them to do something. And also they start shaking like they are getting rid of their negative energy. That’s how I tell people when you see shakes and yawns especially in dogs that I’ve been noticing in my 200 plus, plus dogs training here that I’m noticing quite a bit of, you actually are in a kind of like, getting rid of that bad energy. And then go try now can take in the new energy that we’re giving out. Sometimes they’re not as in… they don’t fully understand. They’re like, Oh, my dog’s tail is wagging his excitement, but it can also mean fear or nervousness as well. So it’s kind of, you know, saying, Hey, this is what I’ve learned from my studies. What you know, scientists have studied many many years. This what this means and could potentially mean something else, depending on what kind of circumstances and that’s why I can’t diagnose over the phone or you know, or what you’re telling me until I actually see it, because it could mean excitement or if you get into more fear and aggression is like really the main kind of ones in there are many different motions, but those are the main ones where they’re like, Oh, I’m scared, or they’re, I’m going to fight you. But is it true aggression, you know, and then that’s just because he barks doesn’t mean he’s aggressive. He’s barking because he’s communicating and so I tell them, you know, and they go to that, so then they go to a different type of training. And that’s, that’s the keys of technique is to, you know, understanding what the dogs are saying and then training them what they should, you know, training now. So if something is like a resource guarding Well, is it resource guarding or when I’m coming to your house and looking at it saying no, it’s more of just irritation. And it just exploded in resource guarding which is attacking when you went and grabbed it from them. It was just more frustration. So we need to not get to that manage management at that point and not get them to that point to retrain them to what they should be.

 

TRACY:  I find the wagging tail thing very, very interesting because I do remember, I used to be a volunteer dog walker at the animal shelter, where I lived before here. And that was the first time that I had learned, you know, they made us go through like a little class to learn about dogs before you know before we would actually do it. And that was the first time I learned that the tail wagging could actually not be a positive Oh, happy dog thing. And I think there, it’s my perception anyway, that a lot of people really misunderstand, you know, a dog with their tail wagging and they don’t understand that it could actually mean a lot of different things.

 

HEATHER:  Oh, yeah. And then that’s where they start, okay, I’m gonna try this training technique. And it’s like, no, that’s not even. That’s not even the issue. You know, and then they get confused and then the dog gets frustrated, keeps doing it. So it’s like I’m taking the guesswork out of your, you know, there’s so much information out there and people tend to just you know, go okay, I’m gonna go online. And, you know, like I said, because my dog is barking and getting all worked up and someone walking by, is it true aggression? So now I gotta treat it like an aggression case where it’s like, no, it’s just excited. It’s heavy. It’s the same. And so you’re going to treat it differently when I’m say treating, talking about training and the techniques and there’s so many, but then all sudden, it gets into something else. It means something else, because we’re giving it a different meaning, because we’re looking at it differently. And that kind of sense of communication.

 

TRACY:  Yeah, this has been a really fascinating conversation. It’s so interesting to talk to a real dog trainer about all these things, and I have heard you know, previously a lot of people believe that animal communication is just about studying the behavior patterns. So it’s interesting to hear for me how you have studied all the behavior patterns, but you’re also bringing in this intuition or what we would call in in telepathic animal communication, the telepathic aspect of animal communication into this as well it just it feels like a really good harmony because it’s important for us to know you know, these these bits that have been studied scientifically around like the animal behavior communication part. of it, and then to be able to bring the other piece in it just it seems to me like that’s really incredibly valuable. I wonder if there’s anything else that you might add to that or want to say? 

 

HEATHER:  Um, no, I mean, I think we covered it all. Think of like I said, it’s just, you know, I just really love it and I want to make people happy, you know, and to enjoy their dog. And to not want you know, to just get rid of them. As you know, they put all this love and effort into them, but they just as one behavior or many behaviors are just out of control and I’m there and supporting them and helping them out. Not just the trainer. I’m a friend as well to them and to get them to, you know, enjoy their dogs, it makes me happy.

 

TRACY:  Cool. Well, Heather, thank you so much for joining me here today. It’s been so wonderful to chat with you about this. If our listeners wanted to learn more about you and your work, where would be the best place for them to go.

 

HEATHER:  My website is Hmayodog training.com see it? 

 

TRACY:  Yeah, yep. Perfect. So I’ll definitely put that in the show notes so people can click on over. And just to be clear, right at this point you just are in-home with people like you don’t do online consultations like what you were saying you want to actually observe the dog in their natural habitat in the home and, and make those kinds of observations. So you work with people. Is it Milwaukee County or what part of Wisconsin?

 

HEATHER: Yeah, yeah.

 

TRACY:  So Milwaukee County. Yeah. All right. Well, great. Heather, thank you so much for joining me here today. And just thanks for being here. It’s been so great to connect with you again.

 

HEATHER:  Very nice to see you.

 

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Tracy Pierce is an Animal Communicator based in Colorado. She is inspired to connect humans with the deeper wisdom of their animal friends through one-on-one Animal Communication sessions and larger in-person Animal Communication workshops.

Although she loves connecting with animals in person, most of her sessions are conducted virtually with clients around the world thanks to the magic of the internet.

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